Actually, the oceans already boil frequently from geothermal discharges and eruptions ongoing.

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Oh no. It's from us driving cars

Yeah, I know this actually.

Al Bore clones will get on the internet that he invented and claim this is just another effect of global warming though

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kinetic;882051]Global warming is good for the northern states in America.
RESPONSE Just a question on this point--- Why do you think that???



There are many reasons to disagree. For one, the Arctic Ocean was once a balmy 74º. Maybe it's going back to it's original state?
RESPONSE Here you are wrong For that to happen Geological history would have to reverse it'self. The balmy weather was because the Artic area was near the equator, until the Continents divided millions of years ago.

They will use less heat and have longer growing seasons, longer golf seasons, less slippery days and easier commutes.I would like to see a source for this claim.

It seems that many people don't realize that there are more active volcanos under the oceans than above and another factor that could cause the polar bear extinction.

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But my pickup truck has never been to the Arctic. How could I be making the bears go extinct?

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You know a small iceburg busted away from the main area recently don't you ?

It was a newsworthy event and a sign of global warming and a coming rising sea and a bunch of cities to soon be underwater.

Al Bore told me an inconvenient lie . . . I mean truth (I get confused sometimes when the subject of al bore comes up )that you driving your truck caused that peice of ice to break off recently.

You need to sell your truck and start riding a bike. Or buy a hybrid vehicle and save our environment

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kinetic;882203]They will use less heat and have longer growing seasons, longer golf seasons, less slippery days and easier commutes.
RESPONSE By that I assume you beleive that global warming will result in a LARGE temperature rise like ten degrees or more? ???

I would like to see a source for this claim.
RESPONSE Do you beleive in the Techtonic plate system???? if so, check out "Geo plate system" on Google.

It seems that many people don't realize that there are more active volcanos under the oceans than above and another factor that could cause the polar bear extinction. RESPONSE I Do, but I doubt very much that plays into the problem. They are losing their environment, (because of a loss of Ice flows)and thus mostly starving out.

So, it seems one or two of us realize that animal extinctions happen from time to time with or without "human activity" ?


Seems like some of us even recognize the likelyhood that the Earth goes through it's own CYCLE(s) of climate changes with or without "human activity".


Some of us believe we're so important and have such HUGE effects on this very complex system contained below the outer edges of Earths atmosphere. It's pure fantasy. This is a very large system that is far beyond our control. The Al Bores of planet Earth are providing us with an "inconvenient" lie or fantasy is what they're doing. These self important yayhoos ARE entertaining, but certainly not meant to be taken seriously.

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Because you're the one that brings it in. Do your own homework

"Acceptable" ? Sure, of course. There are none though that have been shown to have the necessary impact and/or correlation.

If you base your observations on the to's and fro's in the massmedia, I can understand your reaction. Focus on the hard and dry science and you'll see the light yet.

On a whole and in the long run, yes, but that doesn't mean we aren't fucking up in several aspects and aren't doing serious damage to our ecosystem. The climate is self-organizing and has proven to be capable of dealing with (natural) catastrophes over long stretches of time.
Yet, the present day anomalies data and especially the very short timespan of the current alterations suggests quite clearly this time it's us that are doing the harm. I can't stress the aspect of the short timespan enough. That, above anything else, is the indicator that human activity is responsible now. The climate changes of the long past all happened on geological scales (10's of thousands of years or more). Now it's within the lifespan of a human.

I'm glad you acknowledge this.

The political discussion on both sides of the fence is indeed quite simply pathetic. The whole thing should be addressed on pure scientific grounds and not be at the mercy of idiots like Bush and Gore (to mention the main culprits in the USA; elsewhere it's pretty much the same.) The only country I'm aware of that in fact follows the rational, realistic way is the Netherlands. They take the thing seriously without spin and are planning for what is likely to happen without hurting the economy too much.

The wrong continent actually: I meant the European Alps (France, Swiss, Austria). But just last night the first snow fell there (a pathetic 6 inches).

PS to any Gore-fans: His (partisan) political background makes him the worst person imaginable to mediatize this issue. For one thing, it's unacceptable that his movie is a commercial affair. If the man were genuinely preoccupied with the issue, he would have made the film publically available free of charge, such as any selfrespecting institution would do. Secondly, because of who is, the movie was primarily adopted by political parties all over the world instead of by the general public. And given the ultra short attention span of political parties, the movie will be a measure for nothing, in fact it will hurt the cause.

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Emphasis mine.
Who DO you take seriously?

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I brought it in because I did my homework. There are concerns about warming from other sources.How do you explain the sea ice growing on Antarctica?Speaking of seeing the light, some scientist believe that Global Warming is caused by brighter sunlight.There is little control over Global Dimming or Brighter Sunshine as Dr. Wild predicts. We have no control over volcanic activity either.It's sounds like it's too late.I am familiar with Gore but what has Bush done?They are below sea level, that's why.I am unsure what possible help Gore has contributed. He seems to focus on the drama, the spectacular and the illusion of Political Weather patterns called Climate Chaos and still blames Katrina on Bush.

I wonder if we can save the bears.

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You emphasize "from time to time" why ? Do you mean to suggest that animal or even plant extinctions are RARE occurances ? They're not rare occurances at all. They're why we're HERE in the first place.

Who do YOU take seriously ? Do YOU take al bore seriously ? Thats your business if you DO, but I DON'T and never WILL. He's proven himself a liar and a fake repeatedly.

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[QUOTE=kinetic;882438]I brought it in because I did my homework. There are concerns about warming from other sources.How do you explain the sea ice growing on Antarctica?Speaking of seeing the light, some scientist believe that Global Warming is caused by brighter sunlight.

QUOTE] I wondered how I had never heard about these things, then I read the links and found they were simply opinion pieces. Where are the factual links to either of them???

Further, you asked me for information regarding the past high temperatures of the north pole. Did you check out the info, or just decide it wasn't worth learning the truth???

What is the statement, "Humans are causing Global Warming" if not opinion? The links were to professors at the Universities of Cambridge and Oxford, ot the Institute of Atmospheric and Climate Science in Zurich, Switzerland, to others as well. These are viable sources.So where is it or did you just make it up?Post a link and I will view it.

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1.So the links were professors. They are still opinions rather than fact.

2.So where is it? Do you read responses? the following was my response to you in post #52

(quote) I would like to see a source for this claim.
RESPONSE Do you beleive in the Techtonic plate system???? if so, check out "Geo plate system" on Google.

There is a multitude of information there. not any one specific link. a parable, to the question " who are human beings" would you expect a single link to that question? Apparently you don't know this but millions of years ago, there was one land mass at the south pole. It broke up and the continents as we now know them,together with their techtonic plates, moved slowly North, Because of centrifical force of the planet spinning. At the present time, any spot on the equator is traveling at the rate of about 1048 miles per hour. As they moved, what was to be the arctic plate was just about on the equator. Hence the warm climate.