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Maybe we could train them to skip accross the water.

Train wild animals? How would they remain wild then?
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As early as 2002, the White House officially recognized a threat to polar bears existence: whitehouse.gov July 2002 Even then, it was suspected that Global Warming was the cause but in the treaty with Russia, melting ice is neither targeted nor even mentioned.



And today, 12/27/2006, headline environmental news:

When asked if Bush was going to see Gore's documentary - which specifically cited the threatened existence of Polar Bears - Bush said this:
"Doubt it. But I will say this about the environmental debate: that my answer to the energy question also is an answer to how you deal with, you know, the greenhouse gas issue. And that is new technologies will change how we live and how we drive our cars, which all will have the beneficial effect of improving the environment. And in my judgment, we need to set aside whether or not greenhouse gases have been caused by mankind or because of natural effects, and focus on the technologies that will enable us to live better lives and, at the same time, protect the environment. "

I agree with Bush that the cause doesn't matter as much as the cure but he readily admits we could be doing something about protecting the environment. Could we please put a rush on that plan to create cleaner, better fuels?
We don't need cleaner better fuels, we need vehicles that run on no fuel. Check this out. Tesla Motors
Thats right a sports car already exists that uses no fuel, it simply plugs into your home.
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Train wild animals? How would they remain wild then?
The polar bears could borrow a trick from Evolution to eventually turn in to fish.

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The polar bears could borrow a trick from Evolution to eventually turn in to fish.


I suppose that, along with the image from smugmug.com is your idea of a joke?
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I suppose that, along with the image from smugmug.com is your idea of a joke?
As they are not retouched, what does it matter where the images come from? As long as it helps the bears find a new sheet of ice, they can be useful to get the truth out about the Global Warming phenomenon.

SAVE THE POLAR BEARS - STOP VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS


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Polar bears are dangerous animals, we will be better off if they dissapear.
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Polar bears are dangerous animals, we will be better off if they dissapear.
C'mon. Don't you want to save the bears by stop driving around town on your errands? You could take a bus, ride a bike, walk or stay home instead.

Think of the bears instead of yourself for a change. They need you.

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As they are not retouched, what does it matter where the images come from? As long as it helps the bears find a new sheet of ice, they can be useful to get the truth out about the Global Warming phenomenon.

SAVE THE POLAR BEARS - STOP VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS


And how does posting those pictures get the word out about volcanic eruptions?
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And how does posting those pictures get the word out about volcanic eruptions?
You have it backward. How do humans stop volcanic eruptions, sunbursts, solar flares, hurricanes, tsunamis, etc?

So how would you save them? Move the bears to Antarctica?

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You have it backward. How do humans stop volcanic eruptions, sunbursts, solar flares, hurricanes, tsunamis, etc?

So how would you save them? Move the bears to Antarctica?

Answer the question instead of skirting around. How does posting pictures help?
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Re: Polar Bears and the denial of Global Warming

Let's say your family is particularly susceptible to cancer. Your chances of getting cancer are heavily impacted by your genetic make up.

So what the hell, go ahead and smoke and get a job in the coveted asbestos installation field.

Get it?

It doesn't matter what the cause is.

And the pictures of polar bears DO help. They elicit sympathy for the cause...like "save the whales".
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And the pictures of polar bears DO help. They elicit sympathy for the cause...like "save the whales".
I disagree. A picture or two is fine, and may help, but IMO, a surfeit of pictures in damn near every thread is uncalled for, and doesnt help that much.
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I disagree. A picture or two is fine, and may help, but IMO, a surfeit of pictures in damn near every thread is uncalled for, and doesnt help that much.
Again, my apologies. You should be able to see my face although occasionally, that doesn't help either. I was actually making a subtle jab at Kinetic by pointing out that 1000 pictures of Polar Bears is likely to bite him in the rear (tee hee), in his argument against attempting to save them.

Perhaps if he is convinced of that fact, he may refrain from his gluttonous use of bandwidth.
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Again, my apologies. You should be able to see my face although occassionally, that doesn't help either. I was actually making a subtle jab at Kinetic by pointing out that 1000 pictures of Polar Bears is likely to bite him in the rear (tee hee), in his argument against attempting to save them.
You know, I was going to post something along these very same lines myself - I just re-read your post, and was wondering, hmm, is she really saying this to refute the point about pictures?

LOL - I can be a "tubelight" sometimes. (though in all fairness, that particular post, read by itself, wouldn't necessarily imply anything different from what I thought the first time).

By the way, I love bears - my avatar on other sites is a grizzly. Not saying I don't like Chinese gals, though ...
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You know, I was going to post something along these very same lines myself - I just re-read your post, and was wondering, hmm, is she really saying this to refute the point about pictures?

LOL - I can be a "tubelight" sometimes. (though in all fairness, that particular post, read by itself, wouldn't necessarily imply anything different from what I thought the first time).

By the way, I love bears - my avatar on other sites is a grizzly. Not saying I don't like Chinese gals, though ...
Me too. I like bears. My mother used to swear that she was protected by some bear spirit or something. They were in her dreams all the time. Then again, she worked in Yellowstone as a youth. Ursa.

My kids and I used to read this book about how to protect yourself in really weird situations. One of them was how to walk in a forest and not be eaten by a bear. We got to giggling and the next thing you know my youngest was running through the house growling "je suis un ours!" (I'm a bear!). Why French? I don't recall.

Most people are really too stupid to realize how very dangerous bears can be and just think they're cute. Great. More power to 'em. If an animal has curb appeal it might just save their neck.
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