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Old 04-09-2007
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Save the World, Cut Down a Tree

This was actually done in December of last year. The short story is these researchers created some models to determine that temperate forests (basically any forest outside the tropics) will increase the temperature of the planet 10F by 2100.

Clearly, we must start cutting these forests down.
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Re: Save the World, Cut Down a Tree

Oh brother.
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"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do."
- Ronald Reagan
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"A tree is a tree. How many more do you have to look at?"
"If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all."
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I like the forest. Id rather see less people, less cars, and less garbage.

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Re: Save the World, Cut Down a Tree

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"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do."
- Ronald Reagan
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"A tree is a tree. How many more do you have to look at?"
"If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all."
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LOL Nemo. Reagan was a piece of work wasn't he?
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"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do."
- Ronald Reagan
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Yes, just as president Ronald Reagan said in 1981. "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do," he opined. A little later, environmental scientists ruefully confirmed he was partially right. In hot weather, trees release volatile organic hydrocarbons including terpenes and isoprenes - two molecules linked to photochemical smog. In very hot weather, the production of these begins to accelerate.
America's Great Smoky Mountains are supposed to take their name from the photochemical smog released by millions of hectares of hardwoods.

This week Natural Environment Research Council scientists warned that as summer temperatures rise in the UK, the isoprene output from trees could make a small but noticeable contribution to human discomfort. Isoprene serves as a catalyst, driving the rate at which sunlight breaks down oxides of nitrogen - mostly from agriculture and cars - to produce atmospheric ozone.

Ozone is a triple molecule of oxygen. High in the stratosphere it is a godsend, screening out cancer-causing ultraviolet radiation. But in the lower atmosphere it is a toxin: it causes stinging eyes, prickling nostrils and aggravates severe respiratory problems. Statisticians calculate that in August 2003 - the long hot summer that caused an estimated 20,000 deaths in western Europe - more than 500 British deaths could be attributed to ozone pollution.

But the experts say the trees alone are not the problem. The real villain is the motor car. Trees soak up carbon dioxide, and respire oxygen, doing far more good than harm. And finally, as one forester observed: why worry about a few harmful natural chemicals? In a truly antiseptic world we would all be dead.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/thisw...214996,00.html
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Re: Save the World, Cut Down a Tree

Are you trying to pretend that Reagan was right? Did you miss the end of your quote?

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The real villain is the motor car. Trees soak up carbon dioxide, and respire oxygen, doing far more good than harm.
I cannot believe that intelligent people would actually try to argue that trees are as bad as the pollution that comes out of a car's tailpipe.

Puleeeeeze!
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Read the quote, Sam. Reagan was partially right, according to the scientists who the paper talked to.

No claim was made by anyone here that trees were more polluting than cars.

Yeeesh.

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Read the quote, Sam. Reagan was partially right, according to the scientists who the paper talked to.

No claim was made by anyone here that trees were more polluting than cars.

Yeeesh.

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Re: Save the World, Cut Down a Tree

Im reminded of the Joni Mitchell lyric 'pave paradise and put up a parking lot' at times like these.

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Read the quote, Sam. Reagan was partially right, according to the scientists who the paper talked to.

No claim was made by anyone here that trees were more polluting than cars.

Yeeesh.

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Well Reagan confused CO2 with a pollutant. CO2 is not a pollutant. Cars spew out much more than just C02..

* Hydrocarbons react with nitrogen oxides in the presence of sunlight and elevated temperatures to form ground-level ozone. It can cause eye irritation, coughing, wheezing, and shortness of breath and can lead to permanent lung damage.
* Nitrogen oxides (NOx) also contribute to the formation of ozone and contribute to the formation of acid rain and to water quality problems.
* Carbon monoxide is a colorless, odorless, deadly gas. It reduces the flow of oxygen in the bloodstream and can impair mental functions and visual perception. In urban areas, motor vehicles are responsible for as much as 90 percent of carbon monoxide in the air.

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So really, Reagan was entirely wrong, not partially correct.

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Well Reagan confused CO2 with a pollutant. CO2 is not a pollutant. Cars spew out much more than just C02..
Looks like Samantha and Reagan have something in common.
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Well Reagan confused CO2 with a pollutant. CO2 is not a pollutant. Cars spew out much more than just C02..

* Hydrocarbons react with nitrogen oxides in the presence of sunlight and elevated temperatures to form ground-level ozone. It can cause eye irritation, coughing, wheezing, and shortness of breath and can lead to permanent lung damage.
* Nitrogen oxides (NOx) also contribute to the formation of ozone and contribute to the formation of acid rain and to water quality problems.
* Carbon monoxide is a colorless, odorless, deadly gas. It reduces the flow of oxygen in the bloodstream and can impair mental functions and visual perception. In urban areas, motor vehicles are responsible for as much as 90 percent of carbon monoxide in the air.

Auto Emissions Fact Sheet

So really, Reagan was entirely wrong, not partially correct.

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Ring the Guardian, and see if they can put you in touch with their source, so you can correct him.

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