What do you mean?

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I've read a lot of what Watson has to say and he's never proposed killing people to reduce the population. The site you are quoting from has an agenda and they are pandering to fear. By simple education and birth control it would be possible to reduce the population of the world to 1 billion people. From an envirionmental standpoint it would probably be a good thing and would allow every one of the billion people to live a very comfortable life without raping and pillaging the natural world for resources. Much of the stupidity that we see on the news comes from overcrowding, people having to live cheek to jowl, rather than having a bit of space around them and a piece of land to call their own.

Most of what Watson says is radical enough without people misquoting him to make it sound worse.

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The apocalypse is coming... we're gonna need more ammo.

Actually, Eric, the internet is one of the most energy efficient ways to communicate. A rational lifestyle doesn't mean living in a cave and eating berries unless the planet is over populated--like now. Fresh, clean water is going to be the next scarce resource, already in the Middle East they are fighting over it.

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The apocalypse is coming... we're gonna need more ammo.

That's one resource the Middle East never had in the first place ...

But let me put it this way to you, even if i isolate myself from the madness of civilization, civilization will still go on destroying everything. It would be far more desirable to just bring it down. And like a slave using the masters gun to kill the master and set himself and the other captives free, there is a need to use the masters tools to burn down the masters house. Just going out into the woods and becoming Grizzly Adams is not going to cut it.

But it would be the ultimate in symbolism. Civilization is little more than a death cult where we all pursue self destruction. A person in love with civilization and pursuing it zealously is remarkably similar to a person just taking one of civilizations most prized inventions and putting it to your head.

Im not interested in religion or myth. Nor am i interested in isolating myself from communities. Life is like any other physical process that is governed by natural laws, and we need to start living according to the laws of life as they are governed by the earths ecological and planetary systems.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

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Nearly all people gained wealth. The poorest persons of today are often richer than kings and emperors of the past. Think about the life-expectancy, the acess to food, clean water and health-care.
You can`t deny the huge improvements for mankind, especially since the rise of capitalism.
The carrying capacity of this planet is more or less unlimited because there are also no limits for inventions and improvements. Think about the possiblities to gain energy through solar-energy, a technology, which sooner or later would be more effective than gas, oil ore coal.

And in the case of religions: Every form of fundamantalism is an assult on civilisation. Think aboult the cruelties of christianity in the past or the islam of today.
They had the will to sacrifice the individual for a supposed better form of society. Some environmentalist of today didn`t recognize, that their proposals would end in a totalitarian state.

What are you talking about? Industrialism has heavily polluted the resources that nourished us for millenia. Life expectancy has barely matched that of the plains indians. Quality of life is poor for most poeple on the planet. Access to food was never a problem for hunter gatherers or pastoralists - at least not until we killed their food and then placed these people on reserves, cut down their forests to make farm land, and than forced them to work in factories.

You really have a mythical view of civilization. Its false.
Solar energy makes electricity, thats it. Solar energy cannot make fertilizers or pharmeceuticals - those are derived from petroleum/natural gas products of which there is only one source on this planet, and it is finite. Again, where do you get this faith in technology when it has never improved life on this planet for more than a small minority of people living off the resources of others? If you think invention and technology reduce our dependence on resources look aroud your house at all the gadgets you have and think about how much more energy and resources you now use, in the form electricity, oil, natural gas, forests, and labor than people just a few decades ago ever did. That is all because of inventions and technology. Things only go to market based on their potential to turn a buck, not their potential to reduce our footprint.


I think every form a fundamentalism is an assault on life, be it religious or economic fundamentalism.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

I think your Image of the world of today doesn`t fit with the reality.
Sure, Industrialism poluted the nature, but this isn`t as bad as you think, because the gains for mankind are much greater. The life-expectancy is much greater than in hunter-gatherer-societies, the risk of die by war decreases since modern civilization arised and great famines are more or less gone.
Food was always a problem for mankind, especially in the past.

More or less the whole world profits from improvements. Billions of people gain wealth, think about India, China or other parts of the world.
I didn`t see a sense to look at a footprint. I embrace the change of nature for human needs and desires. I`m glad, that somebode in the past chopped trees and dried uip swams, so that my ancestors could live in a city. And

And no: Also finite resources coud be used forever, when the level of efficiency rises. Secondly, we have the possibility of recycling.