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Old 07-06-2007
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Greenland really was green

How could it be that Greenland was once green?

Researchers: Greenland really was green! - CNN.com

*please note that this is from CNN so we know that it must be real since it didn't come from Fox news.
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Re: Greenland really was green

Fox usually isnt lying, it just cherrypicks the news and facts.
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Greenland was green merely a thousand years ago, because the average temperature in those centuries were higher than now. Many calculations say that during the vikings' explorations and colonizations of Greenland, the average world temperature was about one degree Celsius (almost two degrees Farenheit) higher than it is now.

Those of us who have seen Al Gore's film on the Earth's climate would not think this is a fact, but the truth is Al Gore cherrypicked the facts for his temperature curve for his lectures and film.
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Re: Greenland really was green

I found an inconvenient truth unscientific and not convincing. Sometimes when I hear people speak about it im like "did they see the same movie I saw?"
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I found an inconvenient truth unscientific and not convincing. Sometimes when I hear people speak about it im like "did they see the same movie I saw?"
The film in itself is made in a manner to make it convincing to the people. I did not find it very convincing either, but that is also because I have read about a lot of different opinions on the climate matter before I saw it.

I wonder what the Academy Award jury will say if, twenty years from now, the global warming hype has been refuted and is termed as a silly thing of the past.
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How could it be that Greenland was once green?

Researchers: Greenland really was green! - CNN.com

*please note that this is from CNN so we know that it must be real since it didn't come from Fox news.
In 60’s era text books they taught us that Iceland was green and Greenland was ice. The Vikings named these lands such as to discourage immigration to Iceland which oddly was green and warm yet further north then Greenland which was a block of ice.
After stopping at Greenland and seeing it frozen waste land they wouldn’t bother to go further north to Iceland. Science is a best guess, the life found could be due to volcanic heat not earth cycle.
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In 60’s era text books they taught us that Iceland was green and Greenland was ice. The Vikings named these lands such as to discourage immigration to Iceland which oddly was green and warm yet further north then Greenland which was a block of ice.
After stopping at Greenland and seeing it frozen waste land they wouldn’t bother to go further north to Iceland. Science is a best guess, the life found could be due to volcanic heat not earth cycle.
Hell, you didn't have to go to school back in the 60s to be taught that in school. The article does say, "Ice-covered Greenland really was green a half-million or so years ago...", so that would be before the Vikings came along. That's even before the continents broke up.

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Hell, you didn't have to go to school back in the 60s to be taught that in school. The article does say, "Ice-covered Greenland really was green a half-million or so years ago...", so that would be before the Vikings came along. That's even before the continents broke up.
Uhmm.. Crystal.
500,000 > 250,000,000 ?
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I Don’t see the math working on the continental drift thingy. I may be wrong but I believe the contents are drifting apart at around an inch a year, that would mean each travels ½ an inch every year by GPS. A half a million years is only a quarter million inches.
How many miles is that???
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Uhmm.. Crystal.
500,000 > 250,000,000 ?
What? I haven't even been to bed yet...forgive me...have I lost the ability to count? What happened first God, I feel stupid! Wait...was Greenland green before or after the break up of the continents? Coffee...I need more coffee and a pen and paper to figure this out. Oops!

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In 60’s era text books they taught us that Iceland was green and Greenland was ice. The Vikings named these lands such as to discourage immigration to Iceland which oddly was green and warm yet further north then Greenland which was a block of ice.
After stopping at Greenland and seeing it frozen waste land they wouldn’t bother to go further north to Iceland. Science is a best guess, the life found could be due to volcanic heat not earth cycle.
(My emphasis added.)

Are you sure you remember this correctly? Iceland is on the route to Greenland, when coming from Europe, not the other way around.

By the way, Greenland was not a block of ice. The viking settlements prospered there for a couple of hundred years, until the climate got colder in the 1300's.
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In Jared Diamond's book "Collapse", he goes into several societies that have collapsed including that of the Greenland Norse.
The Norse arrived on Greenland around the same time as the eskimos, or the Skraelings as the Norse called them (after the sound they made when you stabbed them).
The Norse were starved out, while the eskimos prospered, because somewhere along the way, the Greenland Norse developed a food taboo against eating fish, and their preference for pork, beef and mutton became unsustainable as the climate changed.
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I Don’t see the math working on the continental drift thingy. I may be wrong but I believe the contents are drifting apart at around an inch a year, that would mean each travels ½ an inch every year by GPS. A half a million years is only a quarter million inches.
How many miles is that???
3.95 miles
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Greenland was green merely a thousand years ago, because the average temperature in those centuries were higher than now. Many calculations say that during the vikings' explorations and colonizations of Greenland, the average world temperature was about one degree Celsius (almost two degrees Farenheit) higher than it is now.

Those of us who have seen Al Gore's film on the Earth's climate would not think this is a fact, but the truth is Al Gore cherrypicked the facts for his temperature curve for his lectures and film.



Here's an interesting read on Al gores story of "global warming".

* Remember global cooling ? *

Oct. 23, 2006 - In April, 1975, in an issue mostly taken up with stories about the collapse of the American-backed government of South Vietnam, NEWSWEEK published a small back-page article about a very different kind of disaster. Citing "ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically," the magazine warned of an impending "drastic decline in food production." Political disruptions stemming from food shortages could affect "just about every nation on earth." Scientists urged governments to consider emergency action to head off the terrible threat of . . . well, if you had been following the climate-change debates at the time, you'd have known that the threat was: global cooling.

More than 30 years later, that little story is still being quoted regularly—as recently as last month on the floor of the Senate by Republican Sen. James Inhofe, chair of the Environment and Public Works Committee and the self-proclaimed scourge of climate alarmists. The article's appeal to Inhofe, of course, is not its prescience, but the fact that it was so spectacularly wrong about the near-term future. Even by the time it appeared, a decades-long trend toward slightly cooler temperatures in the Northern hemisphere had already begun to reverse itself—although that wouldn't be apparent in the data for a few years yet—leading to today's widespread consensus among scientists that the real threat is actually human-caused global warming. In fact, as Inhofe pointed out, for more than 100 years journalists have quoted scientists predicting the destruction of civilization by, in alternation, either runaway heat or a new Ice Age.

The implication he draws is that if you're not worried about being trampled by a stampede of woolly mammoths through downtown Chicago, you don't have to believe what the media is saying about global warming, either.

But is that the right lesson to draw? How did NEWSWEEK—or for that matter, Time magazine, which also ran a story on the subject in the mid-1970s—get things so wrong? In fact, the story wasn't "wrong" in the journalistic sense of "inaccurate." Some scientists indeed thought the Earth might be cooling in the 1970s, and some laymen—even one as sophisticated and well-educated as Isaac Asimov—saw potentially dire implications for climate and food production. After all, Ice Ages were common in Earth's history; if anything, the warm "interglacial" period in which human civilization evolved, and still exists, is the exception. The cause of these periodic climatic shifts is still being studied and debated ............... More...


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