IMO, The happiest and most free people on earth were the pre-contact plains Indians of North America.

Now please don't construe that as me saying we have to turn back the clock.

I just think that we need to figure out a way to reclaim that happiness and freedom that many tribal peoples enjoyed and combine it with our scientific knowledge of 'nature'. Simply, we need to immediately include the earth in our ethical system.

I don't view industrialism as the harbinger of longevity and happiness, in fact for the majority of the planet it is the exact opposite.

Andrew

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Its all being done to scare the people into compliance with international programs that are already on the books, but we the people haven't been told about them. Ie UN Agenda 21 policy.

The idea of using the environment to scare people into compliance came out of the Club of Rome long ago.

Aurelio Peccei founder and past president of the Club of Rome said”
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages ,famine, and the like would fit the bill…All of these are caused by human intervention…The real enemy , then is humanity itself”
(the Birth of World Government Paraphrased from page16 by Michael S. Coffman Ph.D)

The thing they don’t tell the people about this is that the Elites cause all the pollution (they own the Multinationals corps) , and Fraud sources for human caused Global Warming (3500 scientist who agree with human caused global warming all get grants from the UN or the EPA while the 18,000 scientist who say it is a fraud do not)
. Discerning the Times Digest and NewsBytes Home

Groups like the Sierra Club are directly related to the Club of Rome and past Leadership have even stated they are in league with the Club of Rome and desire the Global Government promised by them. Past leadership has stated by a guy named Elvin
“…a collectivist world government and through a “global society” to replace “sterile nationalism with its evil emphasis on competition and Consumption”

The power crisis are also the babies of the Club of Rome

If you read the Club of Rome report, Limits of Growth, you will find they intend to create artificial shortages. Other publications such as The Unfinished Agenda and the 1992 Rio Report To The Club of Rome confirm that objective. They believe shortages are better than abundance, and low living standards are better than high living standards. I suggest you reread my January letter, evaluate the information cited there, and then read the summary of the Global Biodiversity Assessment contained in my Sustainable Development Syllabus. When you grasp the significance of the concepts discussed there you will understand why there is an energy shortage in California, and why the price of natural gas is rising across the nation. The "Elite" groups that rule the world want to create artificial shortages, force people to limit their consumption, and undermine our way of life. [23]
Radio Liberty Newsletter - March 2001


Here are films on UN Agenda 21 here FREEDOM A

Here is the policy in action now in the usa Taking Liberty - How Private Property is Being Abolished in America

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That's a nice little conspiracy theory that Koch foundation heads up an organized liberalist propaganda effort with the old news UN agenda 21 programs that have been around since the early 90s. It would be frightening with one little problem.

Global warming Science has been federally funded without any help from these wackos.

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does it really matter who or what is causing the current change in our climate?

shouldn't we really be trying to figure out how to save our civilization? or at least those who will be forced to flee when the seas rise and overtakes their homes, farms, businesses, etc...

hmmmm?

question for anyone who wants to answer it:

how was civilization affected the last time this sort of thing happened?

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What sort of thing is it that happened "last time"?

natural

Global Warming = trends of natural co2 production that result in increased warming from resulting greenhouse gases. Global Warming peaks and tips at a point that natural disaster dictates change - resulting in Global cooling cycle.

natural

Global cooling = the relief period after massive natural change that dictates diminished production of natural CO2. Global cooling will lull and warming will pick up again.

not natural

Man's contribution = An incomprehensible belief that we can contribute more than an additional annual 50% CO2 burden to greenhouse gases and sustain that indefinitely without effecting any natural systems whatsoever.

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What are you talking about, I grew up in an Agenda 21 test ground for the United States of America...Santa Cruz California...I lived it bro!

I don't know the group you are talking about. I found out about this around 1997 or so, and actually Agenda 21 was introduced into Santa Cruz before it was signed in 92 by Bush on Prince Charles yahet. It came to us under what was called "Measure C" here is the listing of UN Agenda 21 for Santa Cruz California. Agenda 21 Santa Cruz Advisory Board

Here is the local Congressman who supported it under Clinton who denies it in public on film. Freedom 21 Santa Cruz » Video Library » Sam Farr supports, then denies Agenda 21

Now why would this Congressman write letters thanking people for supporting UN Agenda 21 and then when found in public and asked about it, say "I don't know what your talking about"

Listen bud, I lived this crap... I don't know about your "Liberal" scare tactics...and I'm stinking conservative who does not Support BUSH OR CLINTONG. Because they are on the same darn team...get over your left vs right dynamic...cuz thats for the SHEEPLE!




well Bush and clintong are on the same team my friend....we are being fed a controlled dialectic for the masses...do you know what that is?

What is UN AGENDA 21 well...




"Agenda 21 is a 40-chapter UN document to reorganize the world around socialist, command and control regulation."Michael S. Coffman, Ph. D.


My friend...we are playing with the big boys now....the same forces the founders of the USA warned us about over 200 years ago.

please become aware.

Please see this www.talkingliberty.us

ITs UN policy now taking our land and liberty...now...but we have not been told.

We are playing with the big boys now...and they don't like us...A.

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I think the way of PNAC and NWO will prevail over UN 21 where global domination is concerned.

Im with you on the "gov-infiltrated-gonna-use-America-to-dominate-the-world" thing - but perhaps this UN stuff is all a smoke screen operation with a two-fold purpose. Divert attention from the threat of NWO and debunk facts regarding global warming.

Don't let this bs get in the way of science fact regarding global warming.

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But the flip side is that even if people cared about the environment they still wouldn't agree with you because there's no such thing as global warming.

Who told you that bush or Exxon ?

Scientists don't dispute the facts of global warming - those dark ages are over. they don't dispute the fact that man contributes to global warming.

They dispute to what extent we are compounding the problem - that's all.

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Well there is no doubt at all that the earth has always gone through climate swings from colder to warmer, sometimes dramatically within a mere decades, or sometimes gradually over thousands of years.

I suppose there is a debate over whether or not human activity is or can have an effect on this cycle, but so far the science on its own is tremendously persuasive. I have a yet to hear any theory other than AGW that can account for all the current observations and data.

Im willing to debate only the science and nothing but the science if you would care to take a crack at it?

Andrew

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Traveler, are you willing to respond directly to the evidence before us all or are you simply going to continue to make this unsubstantiated pronouncement ad nauseam?

He's probably referring to "human-induced" global warming. I don't believe in that either.

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Exactly what about the evidence do you not find convincing?

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

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If humans do have an impact, it apparently isn't one significant enough to make a difference.







I see no break from the natural cycle, and thus no cause for the worry that's spreading across the world like an epidemic.

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