The delta is currently small. Less than a degree Fahrenheit. But lets draw attention to this graph.



As you can see human activity has clearly increased the level of CO2 measured in PPM in the atmosphere. Do you deny that an increase in CO2 can increase the temperature of earth?

Andrew

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It has yet to increase the temperature significantly, that's my point. I don't deny that humans can contribute, I deny that the contribution has any noticeable effect.

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The oceans are warming at record speads.

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That requires a discussion on the issue of climate sensitivity. Current peer reviewed studies place climate sensitivity @ ~3 degrees celsius.

http://www.jamstec.go.jp/frcgc/resea...ensitivity.pdf
http://www.amath.washington.edu/rese.../solar-jgr.pdf

Climate sensitivity is defined as how much global temperature increase if we doubled CO2.

So what is our planet's climate sensitivity? It is 3 degrees Celsius.

I.e., before the 20th century we had ~280ppm of CO2. We are currently @ ~380 ppm. A doubling of 280 = 560ppm. Which according to the science should give us an average increase of 3 degrees Celsius. That is huge - there will be a tremendous noticeable difference.

Andrew

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I would neither deny nor confirm anything of the sort based on that particular graph, Andrew.

Consider that the temperature is a function of the amount of CO2. Then you would see an immediate response between the amount of CO2 and temperature in present times, right? The graph doesn't show that.

Consider that the amount of CO2 is a function of the temperature. If the amount of CO2 increases to, well, unprecedented scales, would you see a corresponding rise in temperature? No, of course not. Now tell me, do we in that very graph see a rise in temperature that corresponds to the amount of CO2? Even though the present amount of CO2 skyrockets on a scale that hasn't been seen previously, we see no rise in temperature that actually exceeds previous records. Why?

Its all part of the same system. PNAC, the UN, UN Agenda 21, WTO, NAFTA CAFTA, the global warming scare etc...its all part of the same animal...its presented as different to people but its not, its all connected...all of it.

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So the scientific community armed with federally funded scientific facts regarding global warming is somehow connected to the neocon agenda of NWO and at the same time the neocon king bush himself is tasked at covering up the global warming scare that was concieved by the neocons and carried out by the scientists.

All bs - don't let conspiracy get in the way of pragmatic scientific data.

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If it does exist then i'd like to think we can compound it some more.

There are no facts that show the existance of global warming, i'm yet to see anything at all and man has nothing to do with natural climate change.

Burden of proof lays with you, i'm yet to see anything that shows man makes tempertures go up a fraction of a degree ever gazillion years or whatever ridiculous notion it is. If only it were true!

Care to provide a graph?

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From the mouth of true ignorance - what you claim does not exist - has been proven with scientific fact.

You may very well argue the Earth is flat - you yourself may be proof that climate change is effected by man's ignorance, Let that not be our epitaph.

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Well firstly we don't have conclusive data of what went on thousands of years ago, if we did it may well show just as significant an increase back then as there is now. Possibly greater, which would explain the changes in severity. Can you state what exactly it is that makes man responsible? And then what it is that is different now (with what man does) to what was done hundreds maybe thousands of years ago to make the temperatures go up so (sensationally) drastically? Also can you give statistical data of temperatures of the last however many thousands of years? Put it into comparison as to howlong our planet has been around compared to the percentage increase you cite and then see what the percentage of years worth of data you have in relation to the amount of time the planet has been in existance. You can't make any sort of credible analysis or come to any reasonable conclusion with 5 to 10% fluctuation based on 3 or 4% of overall data, that's absurd. And then finally after all that can you tell me, for the love of God, what is wrong with the temperatures going up? Just a few questions if you can answer, the burden of proof lays with you here seeing as you're claiming this mythical nonsense exists.

hmmmm... i did.


Global warming, global cooling, or sloppy science?

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Viper, i have never seen anyone talk in such riddles as you, i am yet to see a single post of yours that makes any sense at all.

What you've said has been absolute nonsense and goes around in circles the whole time.

This post is a classic example.

Why am I not surprised with your boilerplate response, It is clear there are many things you don't understand. However, I do believe there is one post somewhere, where even you agree with me.

I am sure your a fine young man and feel strongly about your beliefs - but to pass them off as facts is simply not good enough.

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