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Old 08-05-2007
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Re: Clean Energy Bill

Perhaps because they just passed this...?

Now man up and answer the question: why should Bush veto this bill?
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Re: Clean Energy Bill

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yes they have so much in common, they are both named George, and well, they both ............
Did i say they have anything in common? But i can see why you would make the comparison, with them being two of the greatest leaders we've ever had.

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OK, I won't object to your equating Bush with Washington, as long as you let me equate Clinton with say Jesus.........
After all they both wanted their disciples to eat them.........
The prospect of Clinton being eaten after death is only more pleasureable at the prospect of him being eaten alive.

As for being comprable with Jesus...well err Clinton did marry satan so i don't think you're quite on the mark there.
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Re: Clean Energy Bill

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Perhaps because they just passed this...?
So they help pass a big oil bill that goes into law...which you think means that they're not in the pocket of big oil because later they help pass a bill that gets veto'd and not signed into law. So their incompetance and inability to get a bill into law now makes up for their being in the pocket of big oil then?

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Now man up and answer the question: why should Bush veto this bill?
What?? Where did i say it "should" get veto'd? All i said is it will and that's because of what WH press secratary Tony Snow said.
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So you are of the opinion that it should not be vetoed?
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Re: Clean Energy Bill

Don't know enough about it yet, i'll see what ammendments are added and what other pork is slapped in and look through the whole bill after that. I'll probably not like most of it.
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No wiggling. The current version, as it looks right now, prior to the senate getting its filthy paws on it. Should it be vetoed?
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Re: Clean Energy Bill

The question is, Will Bush veto the bill because he is against taxing the outrageous profits of Big Oil, or will he veto it because he is against Clean Energy, and which reason will cause more people to vote Democratic in 2008?
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Re: Clean Energy Bill

I don't mind getting rid of the tax breaks for the oil companies; let them go offshore which works out best for everyone.

I am appossed to forcing U.S. companies to have 15% or so of their energy come from renewable sources, that's totally ridiculous!
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Re: Clean Energy Bill

The other side of the coin here is the amount of money the federal government brings in because of energy consumption.

The federal gasoline tax produced around 40 Billion dollars in 2004.

The federal government actually has a vested interested in keeping energy consumption up.

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Re: Clean Energy Bill

Uh huh so taking away the tax breaks and letting the companies go offshore would all but cripple the energy industry un the U.S.
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Old 08-08-2007
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Re: Clean Energy Bill

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives on Saturday passed a Democratic rewrite of U.S. energy policy that strips $16 billion in tax incentives away from Big Oil and puts it toward renewable energy sources like wind and solar power.

The 786-page bill, passed in a rare Saturday vote, was a top priority for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and is an amalgam of bills assembled by about a dozen of the chamber's committees in recent months.

Republicans called it a "no-energy bill" because it lacks new drilling incentives, and they derided the new emphasis on renewables as "green pork." The White House threatened to veto the bill on concerns that it could boost energy prices.

House Republican leader John Boehner said the bill "cuts the lifeblood of our economy off at the knees by increasing taxes to pay for green pork projects," referring to billions of dollars of "energy conservation bonds" that would finance renewable projects.

The bill, the New Direction for Energy Independence, National Security, and Consumer Protection Act and the related tax title would spur a massive redistribution of federal incentives to wind, solar, geothermal and away from producing energy from oil, natural gas and coal.

"It's an historic turn away from a fossil fuel agenda and toward a renewable energy agenda for America," said Rep. Ed Markey, Massachusetts Democrat. "It has been a long time coming."

The bill sets new standards for appliances and building efficiency codes, and spurs possible renegotiation of faulty Gulf of Mexico drilling leases signed by the Clinton administration that left about $2 billion on the table.
Fossil fuel technology is a mature industry. Investing in renewable energy sources can also help produce newer technologies and enabling more modern economic development.
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Old 08-09-2007
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Re: Clean Energy Bill

I doubt this nonsense is gonna pass the Senate. If it does Bush will veto.
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Because he'll be able to sustain this veto.

He's set to become the only President in history never to have a veto overidden.
So Bush didn't veto the previous pork addled bills because of sheer laziness? Gotcha. Yet he's more than happy to veto other bills because there is pork in them.

I expected you to be comfortable with such hypocrisy.
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Re: Clean Energy Bill

Can you read? I said he didn't veto the previous bills because he didn't have the votes to sustain the veto. Where's the correlation to lazyness?
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