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Re: H fuel cell car breaks 207 MPH in Bonneville

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Well, sure. People have cars in London and Paris, despite their remarkable transit systems. DC supposedly is good, too, but I haven't seen it yet.
I also lived in Paris briefly. Though it is filled with cars and congestion, it is even more expensive to own a car than in the US. I think that basically applies to most of Europe in general. As well Paris is a relatively expensive place to live, even with out a car.

And that was the point. That cities where one can enjoy a high quality of life with out an automobile are in fact expensive places to live, as opposed to Goob's assertion that car free city life would be cheaper.


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I don't know that I'd want to ride a motorcycle in San Francisco. Too many wet metal plates in the street.
That's just more obstacles to dodge. I tell you with the hills, twisty streets, cool weather, nice scenery and the PCH near by, that place is made for motorcycles.
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Re: H fuel cell car breaks 207 MPH in Bonneville

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The oil companies often have large chains of petrol stations. I do not believe they are stupid enough to stubbornly stick to oil, always oil, only oil. Instead, they certainly have departments for Research & Development and Marketing that are looking into the questions of offering alternate fuels in the petrol stations. The infrastructure for car service and refueling is there, in the petrol stations, it would be unfathomably stupid for the oil companies not to use it as soon as there is the slightest market for it.
Only about 3% of gasoline/diesel refueling stations in the US are owned by oil producers/suppliers. They license trade names to retail outlets through franchise agreements but the anti-trust people would be all over them if they controlled gas from pump to pump.
I did not write the oil companies own the petrol stations, I wrote that they "have" them. There is a difference. The franchise model is probably basicly the same throughout the world, when it comes to petrol stations. It is still in the interest of the large oil companies to make research etc. for the benefit of the retailers that have franchise agreements with them.

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Ten bucks? When I was a kid (mid 70's) it was $5 to fill the tank.
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That’s all America was asking for, horse power.
Now large families can sigh a breath of relief.
Im not sure what you are ranting about here but you said that "all americans want is horsepower". Do you really think thats all americans want?
Muscle cars give us a hard on.




We don‘t want anyone telling us what were allowed or not allowed to drive.
Our fathers and those before them worked to hard and fought for so much for us to sit idly in the night and see American prosperity stagnated by a bunch of fucking pansies that don’t know there asses from a hole in the ground.
There are 42,000,000 trees per car on this planet (And we get 74% of our air from the oceans.).
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Maybe thats all you want - but I tend to think the majority of americans are far more sophisticated than you.

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Re: H fuel cell car breaks 207 MPH in Bonneville

The two echos and the (little tiny) truck in our driveway would say that we did buy our cars based on gas mileage.
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I'm not into speed and performance all that much. I want transportation that can get me from point A to point B, reliably, safely, conveniently, and with minimal expense. I only want speed and acceleration enough to be able to merge, pass, and drive on highways.
Oh my goodness, you poor thing.
Dude run, run away from these people and live your life as the biggest blast and most fun you can.
I used to drive a California rail to work in the rain just for the exhilaration.
Don’t get up dreading work or the drive. Make it to where you can’t wait to get up and drive to work. This is America, thats what weve fought and worked for since the dawn of civilization…
You should hear yourselves.
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Hydrogen Fuel cells and a hydrogen economy are extremely attractive. They are also extrmemely difficult to build. The entire energy infrastructure would have to be rebuilt. Its interesting, exciting, and totally unlikely to happen any time soon.

One fact people tend to forget is that hydrogen is not a source of energy like oil. You cant dig it out of the ground and burn it on the spot without any refining. Hydrogen is an energy carrier trapped in different molecules, i.e, natural gas and water. There is alot of energy that goes into to producing hydrogen and it is also not easy or safe to ship or pipe it.

Its almost like dreaming of a colony on mars, possible, but unlikely to happen anytime soon.

Besides, the oil companies are not going to just sit there and not fight back when people want to organize the economy around a different philosophy when there is still at least half the oil that there will ever be left in the ground.

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Agreed, they left out the part where the car cost 17 million dollars and uses $300.oo worth of platinum per run…
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I did not write the oil companies own the petrol stations, I wrote that they "have" them. There is a difference. The franchise model is probably basicly the same throughout the world, when it comes to petrol stations. It is still in the interest of the large oil companies to make research etc. for the benefit of the retailers that have franchise agreements with them.

Thus, your critique misses the point.
My point was few retail outlets other than the small number of units used for model testing no longer exist for the sole purpose of selling oil company products. The accompanying mini-marts and other such businesses provide higher margins than fuel. An acquaintance owns a medium-sized oil products distribution company that includes gasoline and diesel products. They distribute their products to retail outlets that have brand names, but all gasoline and diesel they sell comes out of two pipelines with no branding. Various refineries contribute to the supply, but no single oil company provides raw product. That comes from futures market contracts with whomever gets the business. Research is confined to marketing of brand names and their supposed additive superiority, additives that are added at the retail pump. He says the oil companies he deals with have little concern regarding product quality improvement with delivering adequate supplies of acceptable quality being their market function.
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Maybe we had a smaller tank.
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Muscle cars give us a hard on.

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Oh my goodness, you poor thing.
Dude run, run away from these people and live your life as the biggest blast and most fun you can.
I used to drive a California rail to work in the rain just for the exhilaration.
Don’t get up dreading work or the drive. Make it to where you can’t wait to get up and drive to work. This is America, thats what weve fought and worked for since the dawn of civilization…
You should hear yourselves.



Or, perhaps you should learn to take a little responsibility. "Having fun" doesn't have to mean destroying the planet.


Oh, and America appeared more than 4000 years after the "dawn of civilization."
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Or, perhaps you should learn to take a little responsibility. "Having fun" doesn't have to mean destroying the planet.


Oh, and America appeared more than 4000 years after the "dawn of civilization."
This is one of the rare posts where he didn't blame commies for something.
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"Having fun" doesn't have to mean destroying the planet.
Get outta town, it’s not like I’m Nancy Pelosi commuting to work in a commercial airliner.
The world “as our bodies” was designed to repair itself, it’s not possible for us to hurt it (The ocean in one day produces thousands of times more ozone then we have in our industrial age. Past volcanic eruptions, meteorite hits and giant forest fires have thrown more at her then we ever could. Besides, were exiting our polluting industrial age now anyway.
It’s like McDonalds French fries being evil, it’s a pleasure taken away by force.
If your enjoying everything in life you don’t need those empowered by things being awful. All of these doom and gloom 60’s emergencies are Marxism techniques. First to go was religion, then prosperity and happiness to where you need the government to rescue you from what they tell you is bad.
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If you don’t look forward to getting up in the morning for your cool job and driving your hot car with your coffee and cigarettes your already where you are told by the deceivers the world will be someday (Please don’t tell me you guys buy your cars based on gas mileage.).
I simply bought a car because i had to in order to get to a job that is really not cool.

I would absolutely look forward to getting up in the morning if it did not mean i had to go to a job, sit in traffic, and do it all over again every day for a few decades.

If someone knows how to get out this trap please let me know....

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I simply bought a car because i had to in order to get to a job that is really not cool.

I would absolutely look forward to getting up in the morning if it did not mean i had to go to a job, sit in traffic, and do it all over again every day for a few decades.

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