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H fuel cell car breaks 207 MPH in Bonneville

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The Ford Fusion Hydrogen 999 raced to a record 207.297 miles per hour Wednesday at the famous Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah, which makes the world’s first and only production vehicle-based fuel cell race car the fastest as well.

After more than one year of design and development and 10 years of hydrogen vehicle research, Ford’s fuel cell vehicle team battled technical difficulties and a harsh desert environment en route to joining the 200 MPH Club of Bonneville Speed Week, an annual event that attracts hundreds of racing teams.


The Ford Fusion Hydrogen 999 raced to a record 207.297 miles per hour Wednesday at the famous Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah, which makes the world’s first and only production vehicle-based fuel cell race car the fastest as well…
Way to go, Detroit .

Let’s get this performance technology expedited into common production, now.
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Re: H fuel cell car breaks 207 MPH in Bonneville

That's pretty cool, and I think it's great that we finally starting to see some more innovation from the domestic manufacturers. I know Ford is having a better year financially, hopefully this all means they are getting their act together.
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Re: H fuel cell car breaks 207 MPH in Bonneville

That’s all America was asking for, horse power.
Now large families needing larger vehicles can sigh a breath of relief.
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Unfortunately it would take a few decades to switch out the whole fleet of american cars, if they started now, which they won't, because oil is still in the ground somewhere.

Pretty damn cool though.

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That’s all America was asking for, horse power.
Now large families needing larger vehicles can sigh a breath of relief.
I doubt america is as simple minded as you seem to think.

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I doubt america is as simple minded as you seem to think.

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As illustrated by the crippled condition of US vehicle manufacturers due to their arrogance of producing larger and larger SUVs for margin purposes being rejected by that public.
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That’s all America was asking for, horse power.
Now large families needing larger vehicles can sigh a breath of relief.
I doubt America is as simple minded as you seem to think.

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Not sure where you guys get your information from. When I was a teenager it cost about ten bucks to fill my mustang @ $2.10 per hour working at K-Mart @ 1974 dollar value. It now cost $30.00 to fill a 69 mustang with almost everyone in the universe making at least a thousand a week. Gas is cheaper and vehicles are larger. The world your shown is merely propagated. There are no doom and gloom emergencies that you need rescued from by the democratic party. Life is good.
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Re: H fuel cell car breaks 207 MPH in Bonneville

Ten bucks? When I was a kid (mid 70's) it was $5 to fill the tank.
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Not sure where you guys get your information from. When I was a teenager it cost about ten bucks to fill my mustang @ $2.10 per hour working at K-Mart @ 1974 dollar value. It now cost $30.00 to fill a 69 mustang with almost everyone in the universe making at least a thousand a week. Gas is cheaper and vehicles are larger. The world your shown is merely propagated. There are no doom and gloom emergencies that you need rescued from by the democratic party. Life is good.

Im not sure what you are ranting about here but you said that "all americans want is horsepower". Do you really think thats all americans want? Maybe thats all you want - but I tend to think the majority of americans are far more sophisticated than you.

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Im not sure what you are ranting about here but you said that "all americans want is horsepower". Do you really think thats all americans want? Maybe thats all you want - but I tend to think the majority of americans are far more sophisticated than you.

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True. I'm not into speed and performance all that much. I want transportation that can get me from point A to point B, reliably, safely, conveniently, and with minimal expense. I only want speed and acceleration enough to be able to merge, pass, and drive on highways.
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Re: H fuel cell car breaks 207 MPH in Bonneville

Ok 207 mph is impressive, but it is a little redundant to say that the world's only production fuel cell vehicle is also the fastest.

I mean, how could it not be?


But I have to say, that I am sick of OPEC and it's manipulation of the oil market and the constant crying by its member nations, like Venezuela, the GCC Arabs and Iran.

So though I know very little about energy, I hope a future widespread adoption of fuel cell technology puts a serious dent in the price of crude.
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Hydrogen Fuel cells and a hydrogen economy are extremely attractive. They are also extrmemely difficult to build. The entire energy infrastructure would have to be rebuilt. Its interesting, exciting, and totally unlikely to happen any time soon.

One fact people tend to forget is that hydrogen is not a source of energy like oil. You cant dig it out of the ground and burn it on the spot without any refining. Hydrogen is an energy carrier trapped in different molecules, i.e, natural gas and water. There is alot of energy that goes into to producing hydrogen and it is also not easy or safe to ship or pipe it.

Its almost like dreaming of a colony on mars, possible, but unlikely to happen anytime soon.

Besides, the oil companies are not going to just sit there and not fight back when people want to organize the economy around a different philosophy when there is still at least half the oil that there will ever be left in the ground.

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Besides, the oil companies are not going to just sit there and not fight back when people want to organize the economy around a different philosophy when there is still at least half the oil that there will ever be left in the ground.

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Different philosophy? You make it sound like Capitalism vs Communism.

The major oil companies have been reinventing themselves as energy companies, not limiting themselves to just petroleum based products.

However the reality is that petroleum based fuel is still the cheapest way to make cars run.

I agree it will be a while before we see fuel cell technology as a mainstream source of energy, but it seems to be going in that direction.
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Me want horsepower and fast off line. Me want big SUV that does 0-60 in 5 seconds.

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