No doubt theyll say climate change wasnt science some day too. And ignorance has always been a base for our tax policy. Im not even being sarcastic. Look at the ignorance of the people as to how much they pay in taxes, or where it goes. Payroll taxes are built on ignorance.

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Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

No. There is a plain and obvious difference between science and superstition. You can't wish away that difference with an offhand remark.
People's ignorance of their tax burden is not the basis upon which tax policy is built. And even if it was that does not mean it is a valid basis.

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Actually, it isn't ignorance of consensus at all. It's that many of us have looked into the science and have found that we believe it shows that the claim that global warming is man made is false. There are alot of scientists who don't believe global warming is man made. See my link below for example:

DailyTech - Survey: Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory

I personally am a skeptic who is currently digging deeper into the subject. I lean towards thinking that global warming is just part of a natural cycle. I haven't completely decided yet though so I will let you know after I dig deeper.

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Those who argue for complete secularism are funny. They see what government does and then argue that we don't need it to start with prayer.

You call it superstition now but back in it's day it was seen as scientific. I think that jviehe is right as well. No doubt in the future we will continue to make discoveries and along with those discoveries some of our theories of today are going to seem pretty silly to future generations.

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Those who argue for complete secularism are funny. They see what government does and then argue that we don't need it to start with prayer.

I'm beginning to think that 'peak oil' problem is going to inadvertently 'solve' our global emissions problem for us - no political will needed - and sooner than we think.

The significant event horizons for peak oil theory are much closer (near term) than the significant event horizons for climate change (medium to long term).

Taxation to encourage behavioral change is only a broad penalty that first affects those who can least afford it. It also simply takes more of what you earn out of your pocket and, if the government stays true to form, will do NOTHING else.

And it's unfair to those who try to be economical in their energy use. Those of us who sacrifice comfort and safety by buying the econoboxes will be hit with this tax as well.

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No. Back in its day the geocentric universe was religious orthodoxy and superstition - not science. That's why galileo was almost excommunicated for disputing it. And educated people have known the earth is round since Aristotle and Eritosthanes.

No doubt the future will bring new discoveries. That does not mean today's scientific consensus should be ignored just because some people find the truth inconvenient.

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What truth is that? There is no established truth, as has been pointed out to you multiple times now. Man made global warming is a theory, not a fact, and there are many scientists who don't agree with the theory.

I for one am not going to base my decision on the words of same people that told me thirty years ago I would freeze to death by now from global cooling, or told me twenty years ago that I would be dead by now from acid rain, which turned out to not even exist.

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THIS IS REAL HOPE AND CHANGE!

Lean all you want to. Your amateur opinion is clearly overshadowed by that of the national academies of science of the 11 most developed countries on the planet. When the desire to deny science is strong enough people will find a way to believe anything.

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I don't know about dead, but acid rain DOES exist. It might not be fatal but it does a number on your car's paint job.

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The academies of science of most of the developed countries on the planet are speaking in unison on this issue. There is virtually no disagreement on this issue outside of a tiny handful of industry funded studies.
You are clearly free to believe whatever you like but the vast preponderance of evidence disagrees with you and people who actually read will merely shrug off your deliberate ignorance on the subject.

If we reduce our dependance on oil we will slow the warming, reduce pollution, and strike a powerful blow for the defense of our nation. If, against all odds, all the scientists who matter are wrong, the worst thing that will happen is that we will only realize the last two benefits. If, however, the industries which own most of the world's governments succeed in their propaganda war, we will hand our grandchildren a world none of us would want to live in for the sake of a few extra dollars in the multinationals' pockets.

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It also does a number on adirondack and catskill lakes and trout streams.

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But slowly. That is one of the problems with the people in this country. Like the frog in the pot story. If it doesn't kick us right in the ass we just don't do much of anything.

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The fact that wealthy people and corporations will make sure that total taxation will always fall most heavily on the middle and lower classes does not change the fact that government must be paid for and tax policy must attempt to raise the needed money while simultaeneously targeting harmful behaviors and attempting to raise funds directly from activites that contribute to the harm. If no tax burden is placed on oil consumption, the people who are overtaxed to day will still be overtaxed tomorrow but the tax structure will not contribute at all to soving this problem. So we will lose the possible benefits of this tax with little or no gain

The ecological and defense consequences of our dependance on foreign oil will be paid by us some day. The longer we put the day off the more we will pay and the less chance we will have to rectify the problems. And those who makie an effort to green will pay less than those who don't. That makes sense.

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Well then, why not rations the damn gasoline and keep the government from picking my pocket any more than it already does. Or offer some kind of incentive to pollute less. The "if it's bad, tax it" mindset is unproductive and it just state sanctioned theft. Let them think of an actual solution for once instead of the easy way out.

I gladly pay my taxes for services rendered, NOT to keep the wasteful, pork-loving thieves in government solvent.

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