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Old 10-03-2007
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Re: NASA climate 'expert,' James Hansen, tainted by George Soros group connection?

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Why would that matter? Scientists are often wrong. It only matters if he comes by his science honestly and is scientist enough to celebrate when he is proven wrong.

The truth is i have read a bit about him, i like the guy and his courage, and I believe his defense, it makes sense. And we all know that character assassination is often the name of the game in politics - from both sides. This was just a cheap attempt to discredit him that brought with it no evidence to back-up the charges.

Besides, i would think that the burden is on the accuser to show that these allegations are true. I have yet to see that.

Andrew
He very well could have assassinated (to some degree) his own character by working with a far left extremist political organization. I'm not trying to attack his character, I'm questioning it now based on him working with a leftist political group. He is a NASA scientist and is supposed to be neutral and objective. By working with OSI, it gives him the appearance of having a political bent.

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Re: NASA climate 'expert,' James Hansen, tainted by George Soros group connection?

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Yes for oil companies. For political groups, I would be a bit suspicious as I am now with Hansen.
Well, that cuts out a lot of the contradictory science to AGW.
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So then you have no problem with scientists who were funded by oil companies. And they have questioned human caused GW.

Right?
Absolutely not. I don't care who pays them, what their personal beliefs are, where they publish, who likes them, who hates them, or even what they had for breakfast. The only thing that matters is their science. Is it supported? Does it follow the scientific method? Does he/she share her data? Do her findings make sense based upon what knowledge I do have? What do her peers say about the science? What do those who disagree with her findings say?
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The bottom line is (in my opinion), Hansen shouldn't have worked in anyway with an extreme far left group because he is a NASA scientist and is supposed to be objective. By working with a extreme far left organization, it makes him look like he's political, not objective.

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That's probably true. But it doesn't mean anything for his science. His science is flawed mainly because of his methodology and assumptions, but not because he has an agenda.
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Re: NASA climate 'expert,' James Hansen, tainted by George Soros group connection?

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He very well could have assassinated (to some degree) his own character by working with a far left extremist political organization. I'm not trying to attack his character, I'm questioning it now based on him working with a leftist political group. He is a NASA scientist and is supposed to be neutral and objective. By working with OSI, it gives him the appearance of having a political bent.

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What "far left extreme political organization" are you referring to?

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His [Hansen's] science is flawed mainly because of his methodology and assumptions, but not because he has an agenda.
Finally something resembling science has come up..... I've been waiting.

Care to expand on that statement Cato?

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Finally something resembling science has come up..... I've been waiting.

Care to expand on that statement Cato?

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Well, not really, Andrew. We've been over this quite a bit, and it's really not the point of the thread. I hope you understand.
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Well, not really, Andrew. We've been over this quite a bit, and it's really not the point of the thread. I hope you understand.
Suit yourself. Im just curious....

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