I love reading threads you start Viper...its the most hilarious moment of my day usually, though there is a "just for fun" section you know...

Firstly the big bang theory is a load of crap. God created the earth.

Secondly i cannot believe how absurd your notion is that those who know Global Warming is crap think the temperature has stayed the same for thousands of years....you would have had to have excluded things like the Ice age for example.

But then again seeing as the earth (i presume) has been getting warmer ever since you probably think that Global Warming started back then, or at least that's the way your definition is interpreted. So exactly how many thousands/millions of years do you think Global Warming has existed???

You mean like the myth of "we're heading for an ice age" that was popular years ago?

I for one am all for cleaning up our planet and in reducing chemicals/pollutants....But I do not believe in the GW theory.

I still haven't seen any evidence that it isn't one of the earths cycling phases.

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In a natural cycle - What causes warming?

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We will have to disagree on this one. But that is for another time.

I dont know either. All I know is that where I live, I could take you to places where 15 years ago, was under 100 foot of ice. Now there is vegetation growing.

I listen to the elders talk around here. The winters are arriving in AK much later than they have in thier lifetimes. The erosion from what used to be early winter storms where snow fell and ice built up on the coast lines. Are now fierce battering wind driven rain, as I am experiencing as I write this.

Where as even 15 years ago, I would go out trick or treating...it was done in at least knee deep snow. There hasnt been snow on the ground for halloween here since 2000.

I certainly know the earth is warming and doing it in a dramatic fashion in the last 25 years that hasnt been seen in the previous 100 years or longer. What is causing it, I dont know.

The evidence I have seen would make it certainly plausible that humans burning fossil fuels are having an effect in heating the planet. The most signifigant in my eyes. Comes from very simple people, who are very in touch with thier enviroment. Who have nothing to gain financially politically or otherwise and have seen enough in thier times on earth to know and see change over time.

here is an update:

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Humans failing the sustainability audit

meanwhile, apart from the mopre obvious signs like the example Bunz outlines, Pacific Island people, such as those on Kirabati, Tuvalu, and some Islands around Tonga watch their nations sink.

These countries can't afford to complain - because they rely more and more on aid as their food supplies disappear through vegetation loss as the sea rises, or as reefs bleach - destroying over 70% of the wildlife, and as fresh water supplies become contaminated with salt water.

And of course, there are other regions where we also know GW is affecting millions of people.

I really don't know which planet some of you guys have been living on for the last 25 years or so - maybe its Mars - which I understand is in serious need of global warming.

Did you watch it?

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Firstly, PLEASE read the following statement:

'Global Warming' is scientific fact

What you are trying to argue about is the politically contentious issue of whether or not humans are exacerbating this climate change. Please try to at least understand the issue your'e talking about before you form such a closed-minded opinion on it.

Look up the words 'global warming' anywhere you want and you will find it is not a disputed issue. Only the human affects on it are.

In the above statement, you seem to have tripped over your own argument.

You said it was an 'absurd notion' to think that people who don't believe in global warming don't believe the temperature of the earth has changed.

In fact what you're saying if you dismiss global warming as untrue, by definition, is exactly that.

Yes I did.

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http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...Global_Warming

Where are your facts now?

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Please clarify what you're disputing and then I can argue. My feeling at the moment is that you've completely misinterpreted what I said.

That article refers to the problem of 'man made global warming'. Not global warming itself.....You've provided an article that supports what I'm saying.... are you trying to lul me into a false sense of security?

.....So thanks for supporting my point......Not that I want the support of an article that is based entirely on one persons interpretation of select papers, is not peer reviewed and has no references.

I've had a chance to look up the 'petition' that your article is based on, as I knew facts were your main priority.

It's quite funny actually, because it turned out some people who signed the petition were actually made up, imaginary people. How ironic. Here's the link (I think there's more if you want them)...

Search Results | Seattle Times Newspaper

.......It's getting quite hard to continue this discussion with a straight face.

You said global warming is a fact, and no scientists dispute it. I just showed you 16999 that did. Besides its not the accuracy of my statement, but the seriousness of the accusation.

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Global warming is a fact. Those supposed scientists were disputing 'man made global warming', which is different. That's my point. A lot of people don't make the distinction. You've proved my point.

You are arguing against a point I haven't made. I'm finding that constantly repeating myself is extremely boring.