Having read the post above, this seems to be a response of rather poor quality, in comparision to what you offer normally.

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When the Nazis came for the Unionists I remained silent, I was no Unionist.
When the Nazis came for the Social Democrats I remained silent, I was no Social Democrat.
When the Nazis came for the Jews I remained silent, I was no Jew.
When the Nazis came for me, there was no one left who could protest.

Well, as my children have learnt, 'people who give smart ass answers - just don't know'.

Good response Onon.

Andrew

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No, I ain't 'got no knowledge' in Wildman mathematics.

And 'don't need none, neither.'

/chuckle

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Well, I don't contend that you do, on both counts.

However, mathematics aside, your responses are also indicating a lack of conceptual understanding of the control mechanisms at play in our atmosphere. Would you have a desire to understand?

Watch and Learn

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Oh I know what it says. I read the entire article. I was just pointing out to Andrew that the output has increased by the amount I noted since the 1970's.

It is known (I'm basing this on a link from credible sources) that ice on mars has been melting and that the temperature starting increasing at about the same time as Earth's and it has increased by about the same amount.


That graph made my point to Andrew. If I remember correctly, Andrew claimed that sunspots had leveled off since the 1950's but in fact, there was an increase during the 60's.


Fair point. From what I have found looking into sunspots, there appears to be different ways of calculating them.

Why?

All that graph is used for is to show that the surface temperature of the ocean tracked fairly well with the number of sunspots over that time period. I wish it had more points myself.


You got that image from
Index of /skeptic_arguments.

I got mine mainly from NASA, NOAA, etc.

Your site is a pro human caused GW site with ties to leftwing sites. My sites are credible sites.

And again, I am not saying that my arguments prove that human caused heating is a hoax. I'm saying that they show a natural cause and that I believe the natural cause is quite significant.

The hoax to me is Kyoto. It wouldn't have done hardly anything to reduce the worldwide amount of CO2 had it been implemented but under this scenario, the world would be saved. Yet since American hasn't gone along with it, the same amount of CO2 will STILL BE EMITTED into the atmosphere and we are all doomed.

How stupid do you think we are? Trying to scare us into making an irrational decision isn't the right way to change our minds.

Kramer

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Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers

Nice find Meridious.

Off topic question for you if you don't mind. Why do you dislike Ron Paul so much?

Kramer

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Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers

Wasn't good enough...

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Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers

I doubt you would ever be convinced. But the fact remains that the sun cannot explain the recent warming.

Andrew

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Because that is not how linear regression is done.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

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The natural variance of earths climate is very significant. The scientific theory behind AGW does not deny that. In fact it relies on an understanding of that variance to produce the AGW theory in the first place.

Andrew

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I'm slightly embarassed. 4 pages and nobody's shot down Coleman's stupid Op-Ed.

1. How is this irrefutable proof?

I have thought about it. I know I am correct.

He cites no statistics or evidence, just this. Is THAT somehow convincing enough for people who believe the Earth is flat?

2. Coleman is a meterologist, not a climatologist. He's not qualified to discuss climate.

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Cultural insecurities are the foundation of American conservatism.

I for one believe in Global Climate Change. I am quite convinced that it is man made because our species is WELL out of the natural circle and our planet is actually not that big... Mankind for thousends of years changed the planet on a local level, now that mankind went absolutly global and the population rose by a 100 times or even 1000 times... why should it be impossible to do so on a global scale?
I mean we know that vulcanos changed the planets climate in the past... why shouldn't hundrets of millions of cars, heatings, power plants, factories and an a continued de-forestation be able to do the same ??

If you believe in Climate change or not you have two options:

Increase Energy Efficency => use less energy for the same outcome... save the planet (IF its in peril cause of you) AND save alot of money!!!
OR
Do nothing instead, pay more and more for gas, heating and light and be happy.

It is quite known that modernisation is not a bad thing. It takes alot of investment, but it's investment in your own country which is good for your national ecconomy, employment, ...

So, what do you have to loose when trying to tackle climate change?

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actually, the article doesn't show that at all. It shows that not ALL changes in the arctic can be attributed to global warming ... and there is nothing new in this.

It is well known that there have been various cycles that have influenced global climate at various times - as I have said numerous times a study of economic history can show that.

The CO2 emissions however are not part of these natural cycles.