The guy has more credibility than Algore.

I hope that the same ignorant masses who fell for the "DDT kills and is a nightmare for the environment" myth will soon see the light.

The global warming myth will be the largest money maker for already rich elitist, liberal white men and will be the worst, most strangling killer of private and commercial industry profits in history.

All based on a theory that is at its best based on non-facts, handpicked information that ignores all other data, and at its worst, completely bogus. Basically the two are the same.

What a fucking waste.

HIGW or "anthropological" global warming myths and their aftermath would be tolerable if the solutions cleaned the environment up, but they don't. Bio-fuel production will put more C02 into the atmosphere than all the gas-guzzling cars on the planet...the production of the batteries for the few electric cars that will be somewhat dependable in-town produces far more toxic and immediate dangers than the emissions from current vehicles....

HIGW will be the boon of the already billionaire liberal elites, and will do nothing to clean the environment, and will raise the already rising cost of production on millions of products....putting that onto the shoulders of consumers.

The taxes that Congress will impose on the industry will also be passed to the consumer...nevermind the plans to tax the consumer individually to pay for the myth.

It is indeed the largest scam in history that will do nothing to make the environment better when all is said and done.

Mankind is an idiot as a whole for believing this HIGW bullshit, and we will all pay dearly for it, in cash and in an environment that becomes no better, and very possibly even worse.

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Carbon Tax for builders in Oregon....based on what is at the very BEST a factless theory. Nuts

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As you would expect.

No one wants to talk about these facts :-)

The "unbiased" mainstream media sure as hell isn't going to mention any of this.

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Something wicked this way comes.

For someone who constantly says we need to wait until all the information is in, you sure are a fan of one side of this debate...

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“For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” - Carl Sagan

Emphasis mine.

Let's assume that the idea of human induced global warming is completely wrong - any such warming trend is the result of the cyclical nature of a complex system (i.e. the Earth and its climate).

Calling it a giant scam smells a little like a konspiracy (especially when you throw in words like "dastardly"). That implies that a few at the top (let's call them Illuminati) have systematically manipulated an enormous chunk of the scientific community and the world's population at large into believing a lie - a lie that the Illuminati know for what it is. So, what we have is an elite group with answers that no one has (how climate change really works) creating a vast, sweeping conspiracy for nebulous (but "dastardly") gains regarding which the author cannot be specific. Where have I heard that before (WTC bombings, Kennedy assasination, faked moon landings, Roswell etc)? Hmm... I dunno. Oh well.

While I love a good konspiracy, it seems more likely (again, assuming HIGW is completely wrong) that what we have is a relatively plausible theory that has incorrectly gained traction. This has occurred countless times throughout history - flat Earth, stars rotating around the Earth, the atom as "atomic", Eugenics, heroin curing morphine addiction, people laughing at Pasteur, etc, ad nauseum.

There are facts in play - the Earth is warming, we're producing more carbon output (in the last few hundred years) than we had produced before, etc. Whether or not these facts add up to the hypothesis of HIGW I won't bother to speculate - but it's at least plausible, as the other things I mentioned were plausible in their own times, their incorrectness notwithstanding. It doesn't require some sweeping konspiracy - just the human condition that generally causes us to fuck things up a few times before getting them right.

Well, that and a tendency toward alarmism. That's another thing that makes the debate 'spicy' - we pay attention to things that predict armageddon and they gain traction. Bird flu, SARS, super-AIDS... man, you don't even need to go back very far for that one. Hell, Thane will even tell you that homosexuals marrying will destroy the universe.

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And, doesn't this blogger have a spell/grammar checker?

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

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Plus, if this guy is anything like the weatherman on my local news, you can't trust a word he says. Mid to upper 50's my ass, it's friggin' cold outside.

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“For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” - Carl Sagan

The earth is warming, that is an indisputable fact....what is causing it is the question of course.
Going along with the good dr. - I certainly buy that human activity could be exacerbating an already existing climate change. Now, what iscritical is this activity only slightly speeding the warming age up without increasing severity, or is it affecting the severity and we could see some level of possible calamity.

I would rather operate on the safe side myself. Humanity has a nasty habit of ignoring problems until they become catastrophes. Plus the benefit of seeking alternative fuels etc. has it's own benefits that make it more than worthwhile irregardless if global warming is human affected or not.

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November 2010...A change we can believe in.

If we begin with the assumption that the idea of human induced global warming is completely wrong, wouldn't that make perpetuating the myth that it is due to anthropogenic reasons in order to make money the very definition of a "scam"?

If every scientist who made a claim in support of HIGCC did so in order to make money off it then yeah, I can see where we could consider the entire notion a "scam".

But that's not the case.

Some scientists, celebrities, and politicians have certainly run scams based on it - but that the most basic levels it's not a scam at all.

What it is, is an unproven theory based on some pretty convincing observations. It may be right, it may be wrong, but it's certainly worth continued investigation.

Ptolemy wasn't trying to "scam" anyone by including the epicycle, deferent, and equant in his geocentric model of the solar system, he was just making the most accurate predictions his observations would allow - even though he was dead fucking wrong.

It remains to be seen whether or not HIGCC is dead fucking wrong. I suspect it might very well be, but there are enough people who are just as smart as I am, or smarter, who think it might be a good theory.

I'm willing to keep an open mind till then, but I won't be dumping any money into silly ass carbon trading while I wait.

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...Old Europe, a once-dominant region now reduced to sucking at the geopolitical teat of America... they spent the better part of the last millennium conquering the world and taking the good stuff home with them... And what do they get for their troubles? Ungrateful colonies demanding their independence. And after you taught them how to play cricket!...

-Jon Stewart

*high fives iamwhatiseem, and colors in a pirate eyepatch on his mask, with a sharpie*

AYE, DAMNIT, AYE!

yarrrrrr!

-meadhallpirate

o.k. lets just say global warming is a "scam". just because the carbon we put in to the atmosphere doesn't make the icecaps melt does it mean that we should go and buy a hummer? of course not! and i agree with (hey almost all the people that posted on this thread) that even if global warming is a myth it is not necessarily a "scam"; nobody's trying to rob you of your precious money. i guess my point is that whether global warming is true or no we shouldn't be putting shit in the atmosphere

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how many hypocrites must one nation have?

Does it mean that we SHOULD place a gazillion new and strangling taxes on all our industry, and regulations that are based on theory that will drive up the cost of virtually all goods manufactured in the USA?


Does it mean that we, as individuals, should have added taxes based on a non-working, hand-picked-data theory?


Should we be told things like "The seas could rise 20 feet?"

Utter nonsense.

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There is nothing wrong with conservation or Enviromentalism.

With that said.

There may not be a scam but isn't it wrong for someone like Al Gore who may actually believe what he says to capitalize on the reaction of people to what he says?

He OWNS a company that buys and sells Carbon Credits.

Carbon Credits now that is a scam. You can be carbon neutral if you pay enough money to some company.

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Only if the "perpetuators" were aware that their message was false. I don't really think that's the case.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

Agreed. I read an oped piece by Krauthammer a while back, which prompted me to do some investigation into the matter. Apparently, a lot of Chinese factories are taking the do-gooders for the proverbial ride. Basically, what they do is go out of their way to build ridiculously dirty factories and then take money from these Carbon Credit deals and "clean them up". Apparently, the cost of doing this is much less than they receive. Without the Carbon Credit deals, they would simply have build the factory "cleaned up" in the first place.

So basically, Carbon Credits are, in some places, artificially creating a supply of pollution by creating demand for its removal. In the end, there is no net benefit, in some cases.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson