Independent Audit Supports Official U.S. Surface Temperature Record

Yale Climate Media Forum - Feature

Couple of comments. That article is from a site that has obviously already made up it's mind about global warming being human caused and I detect politics in some of the headlines. They also probably have a financial interest in the way of grants of whatever to keep the heat on (excuse the pun) GW. The article also mentions that dozens of volunteers helped in gathering the new data which could certainly add some measurement error.

Kramer

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Already made up their minds? That site must be infested with respected scientists with expertise in the field. Because they have almost unanimously done so.
http://www.pik-potsdam.de/news-1/G8_...eclaration.pdf

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you do know that surfacestations.org's selective use of information has been criticized by climatologists, and that weatherman Watts is well known for his own agenda?

then there's articles like this:


http://www.chicobeat.com/?q=watts_is_wrong

Without additional comment, the OP is nothing but spam...

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Well, from an outsiders perspective it is really strange to see how certain issues are creating a controversy in the US.

Over here it is commonly accepted that a Climate Change is happening and that we are the cause.
Also Evolution is accepted, and so on....

Where is this hate against science comming from?

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Here's the comment then: Surface Station audit looks like it's confirmed the GISS record rather than throwing it in dispute. The exact opposite that the people who cite it claim...

Here's a picture of a temperature sensor used by GISS to measure the temperature of SUV exhaust, asphalt and fire truck radiators.

The main problem is that these temperature records were never meant to be used as they are being used. Otherwise they would have been more carfully done, paying more attention to consistancy of methodology and equipment.

The climate has been changing since before man walked the Earth. Could you explain the reasoning you used to come to the conclusion that "we are the cause"?

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What a bunch of sheep to go along with what the UN says...

We don't "hate" science, we (or at least I) "hate" the politics behind it. For example, if Kyoto had been signed and fully adhered to, just about the same amount of CO2 would still be emitted into the world's atmosphere but under this scenario, the earth would be saved. I don't understand this and it makes me strongly suspect something is amiss.

The UN is a socialist organization and I believe that they are using the recent warming to force developed countries (especially the US) to transfer jobs and wealth to developing countries. Recent quotes by world leaders have supported my suspicions as well as what is said in some parts of the UN's earth charter.

And then there are the scientific sticky points that I've noticed such as ice core graphs of CO2 and Temperature. What Al Gore doesn't tell us is that the temperature changes hundreds of years BEFORE the CO2 changes. In other words, CO2 wasn't the driving factor in the temp swings.

Other facts of science that I think are being dismissed is that the sun's energy output has been steadily increasing for the last 300 years. In addition to this, the last 70 years has seen more sunspot activity then at any other time going back 8000 years. There is also evidence that shows recent periods of higher or lower sunspot activity coincided with warmer or cooler periods on the earth. In fact, the little ice age coincided with a period of almost no sunspots. More evidence that the sun needs to be considered is that mars started heating up at almost the same time as the earth did and by the same amount. Some recent work as suggested that Mars albedo has changed causing this but I find it highly improbable that this is the case as it would be one heck of a coincidence. There is also warming being observed on other planets as well that has also started in the last 10 years of so.

Kramer

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Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers

This is the whole political thrust of the GW Cult's argument that we need to reduce CO2 levels in order to prevent global catastrophe. But it is based on ass-backwards logic. Totally flipping around cause/effect.

The records that the Global Warming cult clings to show that CO2 levels increase centuries AFTER the temperature increase.

First the surface tempereature rises, then atmospheric CO2 levels rise. Basically this is because the warmer a solution of water (ocean, soda, beer etc) gets, the less CO2 it can absorb at a given pressure.

If you warm up a carbonated water solution, like the oceans which cover the great majority of the Earth's surface, that solution will tend to release the CO2. But if you keep it cold it will tend to hold on to the carbonation.

For example: If you let a keg of beer get too warm it spews too much foam out of the tap because it releases too much CO2, therefore your beer is flat. And on the other hand, if you get the keg too cold you get no head on your beer because it can't release enough CO2 to create an adequate head.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

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Your analogy would be great if when CO2 dissolves into sea water it stays CO2. But, it doesn't. It reacts with water to make carbonic acid. You should read up more on the inorganic carbon cycle starting here. This is reason that the ocean's pH is decreasing and additional evidence that atmospheric CO2 levels are increasing.

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So fucking what? That is totally irrelevant.

My point still stands. It is proven beyond any doubt. Proven in theory, experimentation, and real life examples.

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You're right. I shouldn't let chemistry get in the way of you "common sense".

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It's both, not one. co2 rise is caused by temp rise and temp rise is caused by co2 rise. The underlying physics behind both relationships are strongly known.

The recent co2 rise has been far beyond what the temperature increase could accomplish. The main cause of the recent co2 rise is human activity. However there is still the warming effect from the co2 rise, irregardless of the cause of the co2 rise.