I disagree, the tax is just another way to get more tax money from us while the rich and famous travel all over and right the expense off come tax time.

There is already federal funds being used to research alt. fuels and also the oil companies want to remain in business so they too are investing in other avenues.

tax tax tax, that's all this country is turning out to be.

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Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

I dont disagree with your sentiments. But with both parties being more interested in spend, spend spend, it raises the question of how we pay for all of it.

Uh DUH!!! I know that nobody owns the water or the air. That is my point. You have not made a single reply to any of my arguments. I am guessing that you read the first line of my post, and then replied with this ill-informed screed.

Oh, and nothing I said even comes close to disagreeing with your first line.

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Correct.
Imagine a world in which everything including the air and water is owned privately. Of course I'm not sure why people would want to own the air and how you would measure that to show who owns what but I guess people might want to to change others for permission to own their air space.



Imagine flying and having to pay for the rights to go through everybody's property to get from one half of the country to the other or across the planet. How the hell would you manage such a system and how would one prove if somebody went through his/her air space.
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Air, in normal situations, would not be owned. Air is not an economic good because it is abundant. So, this is an invalid cirtique of A/C theory. However, in some situations, air would be owned. For example, while SCUBA diving.
Yeah. What is the problem with this? Do you suggest that we end private property on land so that you do not have to pay to go through someone's property?

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Government is good at stopping polution? Yeah right? On what scale?

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The suggestion that someone can own a piece of navigable water goes against pretty much everything I believe.

Liberty are you saying that someone would be able to own say a portion or in its entirety the Mississippi River or a similar water body and charge for its passage?

I have read your entire post and the only solution you offered was giving people the right to sue polluters. And I dont see it working, because large parts of pollution are created by many players, illegal dumping is hard to trace, and there is much money involved in keeping the status-quo.

Your deforestation solution doesnt work either, because everywhere were deforestation is a problem the authorities either dont have control over an area (so property rights dont mean anything) or they are corrupt.

Because of regulation the emmissions of SO2, NOx, NH3, VOS have drastically decreased and species of fish who have been gone since before ww2 have returned to rivers in densely populated european areas because the riverwater is much cleaner now. Since the 70s there has been major progress in waste disposal and emissions.

The private sector never did it, until the governement came in. I dont believe the private sector has the ability to do something like this on their own.

There still is some work to be done in the western world, but not nearly as much as should be done in asia right now.

First, the government is the biggest polluter.

The private sector can do clean stuff up if private property was allowed. Why in the world would you think that the government, which is essentially ran by elite businessmen, would do a better job at cleaing stuff up than private businessmen? Doesn't this seem, I don't know, like an insane proposition. You are, in essence, saying, "Hey, rich guys that pollute! Why don't you come and make pollution regulations? I know that you pollute now, but I believe that Lord Acton was wrong when he said that power corrupts, and I think that if I give you power, you will suddenly become an altruistic warrior, fighting evil in all of it forms."

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No technologies have been developed to trace pollution back to a single source because there is no reason to have this technology. There is no reason to have technology because I can't say, "Hey, this river is mine, and it is polluted and I want to sue someone."

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Oh my, well we wouldn't want justice getting in the way of what you believe.

And this goes against pretty much everything you believe? What in the world do you believe? Why does it go against pretty much everything you believe?
Yes. A peson can own whatever he has homesteaded.

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this is the biggest bullshit i have ever read. The governement is the biggest polluter? run by elite businessmen?

And then some ramblings that somehow a private businessman would do a better job, while cleaning up pollution would only undermine his profits and competitiveness. Your irrational hatred of everything with a governement stamp on it blinds you from reality, which has gotten cleaner because of governements.

Woops! I guess I was wrong, government isn't ran by elite businessmen.

You are perhaps one of the most delusional people on the face of this planet if you do not think that government is ran by rich people.

Bush Family:Tied up in oil, and banking interests
Cheney:Once CEO and Chairman of the Board of Halliburton.
Rice: She served on the board of directors for the Carnegie Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the Chevron Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Rand Corporation, the Transamerica Corporation, and other organizations.
Paulesn: Tied up in baking interests. Net worth estimated at over $700 million.
Clinton, Bill: Wealthy lawyer, has earned $40 Million in the past 6 years making speeches...about poverty.
Edwards: Mr. $400 haircut. Rich trial lawyer.
Do I need to go on?

Government is the biggest polluter: Official Website of the Libertarian National Committee
If you are going to critsize my positions, you could at least actually read what I have written before you go off on some sort of anti-market rant.

I know that it is against the businessman's best interest to inhibit pollution. I said close to those exact words, in fact. It is because the private property of little old ladies is not respected that companies are allowed to pollute.
My irrational hatred of government? It is your irrational hatred of the market that leads you to absurd conclusions, posts that don't respond to what I said, and an utterly delusional perception of reality. I still can't believe that you are so dense as to think that government is not ran by the rich elite.

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There's an article about the co2-temperature lag here:
RealClimate » What does the lag of CO2 behind temperature in ice cores tell us about global warming?

Air, in normal situations, would not be owned. Air is not an economic good because it is abundant. So, this is an invalid cirtique of A/C theory. However, in some situations, air would be owned. For example, while SCUBA diving.

Yeah. What is the problem with this? Do you suggest that we end private property on land so that you do not have to pay to go through someone's property?[/quote]

I do not see a logical way in which all water would be privately owned. If air is not privately owned then by your argument it will not be taken care of even though we all have to breath it.

And yes the air and water quality now compared to the 70s and 60s is much better and this has to do with EPA standards and regulations.

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