Ice formed so fast in the Arctic in October-November that it set a new record.

This may be a short lived event... However, if the re-freezing continues for an extended period of time, I wonder what this will do the the UN's GW plans.

Arctic Sea Ice Re-Freezing at Record Pace

Kramer

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TheNation, June 7, 2007

From the source you posted:

Record sea ice growth rates after a record low may sound surprising at first, but it is not completely unexpected. The more ice that survives the summer melt, the less open water there is for new ice to grow. When summertime ice extent hits a record low, on the other hand, large areas of open water provide room for the ice to grow once temperatures cool off enough. While summer warming of the upper ocean surface can cause wintertime sea ice regrowth to lag initially, as the fall season progresses and sunlight weakens, the rate of energy loss from the ocean increases. That heat loss coupled with a large area of open water creates ideal conditions for sea ice to form rapidly over large areas.

That only makes sense. A record melt in summer and fall should be followed by a record ice forming in winter. What else would you expect?

Andrew

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Makes sense, but I'm having trouble with a warmer earth making this (fast re-freezing) possible.

Kramer.

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TheNation, June 7, 2007

Its winter in the arctic, and there is barely any sun at all. Average temperatures are roughly -29°F / -34°C at this time of year.

Global warming is said to have resulted in a global average increase of about ~1°C. In the arctic region the real average increase is about ~2°C.

In summer, the average temperature of the arctic is roughly -1.5°C / 29°F.

An average increase of 2°C in the summer months means the average summer temps are now above the freezing point, with daily temps sometimes well above 20°C.

As you can imagine, the average temperature increase in the winter months of 2°C is still way below the freezing point, and now there is more open water in which to freeze. A record freeze that follows a record melt is normal and should happen.

Andrew

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What did you mean by this bolded statement? Are you implying that this is some kind of conspiracy by the UN?

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It only shows that we cant predict whats going to happen, so as the Pope says "global warming must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology". And he works for God.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...s/?ref=opinion

Have no fear that the record freezing will be attributed to Global Warming, not in spite of it.

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Of course he is; didn't you know--reality is a radical left-wing consiracy. As you can tell he has a difficult time grasping the science related to this issue.

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Here's an idea; rather than attributing the assumption made by MT about what a poster is saying to that poster, see what that poster actually has to say for clarification? Or, is that idea too much based in reality?

Well if you actually read the article you would see that this record freeze was not 'unexpected'.

Andrew

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Hmm. Who was the OP speaking to? The OP has only made 2 posts, and both times gives the impression that he feels "global warming" is a myth. There isn't that much in the way of clarification, so I really don't know what you're going on about.

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Then you aren't focusing. But, sure, let's keep going at science with partisan politics rather than any real discussion. I know I can count on your to continue the trend.

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Lol. The hypocrisy probably goes over the heads of the faithful.

For the sake of accuracy, Si Modo, could we note that I did not make an assumption? I asked for a clarification rather than making the easy assumption.

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Sure, that would be best. It was AA who made the assumption.

If there is record freezing of the Artic does it bring the Ice Shelf close to the original/average size?

If so what does it mean that the Antartic is increasing in size at the same time?

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