America actually booed at climate conference. - Page 3 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Si modo · #31 (**permalink**) 12-17-2007

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Originally Posted by MareTranquility

Well, Dais, I think you can see now what kind of attitude is prevalent in the US and I'm afraid that this isn't going to change until we get a painful wakeup call--9/11 was one, but didn't manage to make the point. The American people are arrogant because they feel powerful and they willfully remain ignorant of those they look down on. Many people here truly believe that it isn't possible for humans to damage the ecosystems that we all depend on for our clean air and water. Another large segment are religious and believe that these are the END TIMES, therefore we don't need to do anything to solve the problems around us because Jesus is coming and He's going to take care of it. Pride goeth before a fall.

Well, Mare, those are a lot of gratuitous assumptions you make about those who oppose Kyoto and the conference. Congratulations on posting such evidence of another emotional approach to the two sides of the issue - scientific and policy.

TheLastBoyScout · #32 (**permalink**) 12-17-2007

No matter what people want to say about the booing and the "lead follow, or get out of the way" comment, the fact remains that:

The U.S. delegation had voted "No" until the reaction was realized, then U.S. delegate changed their vote to "Yes".

The unpopular stance and the dissent caused them to change their minds or at least their policy. That action is definitely a departure from what we've seen from the unchanging, stubborn Bush Administration to date.

MareTranquility · #33 (**permalink**) 12-17-2007

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Originally Posted by Si modo

Well, Mare, those are a lot of gratuitous assumptions you make about those who oppose Kyoto and the conference. Congratulations on posting such evidence of another emotional approach to the two sides of the issue - scientific and policy.

I live in the US and talk to and correspond with a lot of people, the attitudes I spoke of are very common, no place did I say it applies to everyone who opposes the Kyoto Accords, in fact I didn't even mention Kyoto.

Americans have been the biggest dogs on the block for so long that we (as a nation) are extraordinarilly arrogant, smug, and self-satisfied.

I don't really know what point you were trying to make with your post, perhaps you could rephrase it and base your comments on what I actually wrote in my post.

hairballxavier · #34 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007

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Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

No matter what people want to say about the booing and the "lead follow, or get out of the way" comment, the fact remains that:

The U.S. delegation had voted "No" until the reaction was realized, then U.S. delegate changed their vote to "Yes".

What vote are you talking about?

wWhere did you come up with that crap?

daisym · #35 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007

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Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

No matter what people want to say about the booing and the "lead follow, or get out of the way" comment, the fact remains that:

The U.S. delegation had voted "No" until the reaction was realized, then U.S. delegate changed their vote to "Yes".

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Hairball:
What vote are you talking about?

wWhere did you come up with that crap?

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the US delegation announced it could not support the amended text.

A chorus of boos rang out. And a member of Papua New Guinea's delegation told the US: "If you're not willing to lead, please get out of the way."

Shortly after, the US delegation announced it would support the revised text after all.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Climate deal sealed by US U-turn

this was also reported widely in the media in my country, and in other national news sources I have looked at.

Is the US media keeping Americans in the dark, or is it just you who is in the dark?

hairballxavier · #36 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007

So you agree that I am right, there was no actual vote.

But idiots think there was a vote.

kramer · #37 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007

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Originally Posted by hairballxavier

Why?????

Why? They booed because we held our ground and didn't give in. I don't give a rat's ass about what those socialist at the UN want or believe nor I am not convinced that the majority of the heating is from man. If they had cheered and clapped at us, then that means we caved and would eventually be sending trillions of our dollars overseas while at the same time, severely reducing our standard of living.

Kramer

Americano · #38 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007

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Originally Posted by hairballxavier

What vote are you talking about?

wWhere did you come up with that crap?

Are you still in prison?

Americano · #39 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007

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Originally Posted by kramer

Why? They booed because we held our ground and didn't give in. I don't give a rat's ass about what those socialist at the UN want or believe nor I am not convinced that the majority of the heating is from man. If they had cheered and clapped at us, then that means we caved and would eventually be sending trillions of our dollars overseas while at the same time, severely reducing our standard of living.

Kramer

Don't worry, our brilliant plan to consume more than we produce because we refuse to work for less than what services the interest on an overpriced crackerbox dwelling, a couple of gas guzzlers, lots of quickly obsolete toys and demands for abundant idle time will take care of that. No need to blame it on the weather.

hairballxavier · #40 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007

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Originally Posted by kramer

Why? They booed because we held our ground and didn't give in. I don't give a rat's ass about what those socialist at the UN want or believe nor I am not convinced that the majority of the heating is from man. If they had cheered and clapped at us, then that means we caved and would eventually be sending trillions of our dollars overseas while at the same time, severely reducing our standard of living.

Kramer

When you get down to the brass tacks, it seems to me that the commie/pinkos are pushing this argument...

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The end of the world is near, you are guilty, therefore you need to pay more taxes.

Do you agree that people in the USA should pay more taxes?

MareTranquility · #41 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007

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Originally Posted by daisym

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Climate deal sealed by US U-turn

this was also reported widely in the media in my country, and in other national news sources I have looked at.

Is the US media keeping Americans in the dark, or is it just you who is in the dark?

The US has one of the most controlled medias in the world--we just don't think so. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Americano · #42 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007

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Originally Posted by MareTranquility

The US has one of the most controlled medias in the world--we just don't think so. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

What else do you expect?

US media is in the hands of a very few people. Corporate business on a large scale, profit driven to service debt that facilitated the consolidations. Media relies primarily on advertising for revenue and advertisers cringe when disturbing news, particularly if it questions national policy and might disturb consumer confidence, the advertiser customers that drive the US economy (along with governmental public debt).

MareTranquility · #43 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Americano

What else do you expect?

US media is in the hands of a very few people. Corporate business on a large scale, profit driven to service debt that facilitated the consolidations. Media relies primarily on advertising for revenue and advertisers cringe when disturbing news, particularly if it questions national policy and might disturb consumer confidence, the advertiser customers that drive the US economy (along with governmental public debt).

I expect exactly what we've gotten from our monopoly-controlled media. It's why I spend so much time on the internet reading sources from other countries.

moon · #44 (**permalink**) 12-19-2007

LBS;

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The U.S. delegation had voted "No" until the reaction was realized, then U.S. delegate changed their vote to "Yes".

The unpopular stance and the dissent caused them to change their minds or at least their policy. That action is definitely a departure from what we've seen from the unchanging, stubborn Bush Administration to date.

That's correct, and the reason for the thread. Threads concerning a little hope are better than those with no hope at all.

As I intimated earlier , some booing at the UN might end the Middle East conflict and force changes within the Security Council structure. Bullying can become a purposeless habit.

Americano · #45 (**permalink**) 12-19-2007

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Originally Posted by MareTranquility

I expect exactly what we've gotten from our monopoly-controlled media. It's why I spend so much time on the internet reading sources from other countries.

Agreed.

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