Perhaps so, since he has a few simple inaccuracies that I corrected after a first through of his text.
As you don't need any permission from anyone to "review" my opinion about peer-review, I wonder what your point is? However, I will continue to correct inaccuracies I see.

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And ...from the other side.

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Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Oops. Is the content on this site by someone called Koenke peer-reviewed?

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There are plenty of non-peer-reviewed sources on the net. I prefer peer-reviewed pubs when discussing science. On the subject of global warming, there is a plethora of opinion. However, the scientific question is still unanswered - thus the point of the thread and my point. The "debate" is not over.

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For the record: Dr. Ling was born in 1919. In the 1960's (and 70's), Dr. Ling was director of the Molecular Biology Department of the Pennsylvania Hospital.
The National Heart Institute was established by congress in 1948 and became NHLBI in 1969.

Interestingly, Dr. Ling frequently argues that government funding is biased...which would have been useful to you had you not attempted to use funding to support your case.



I did not choose Dr. Ling randomly you see.

You claimed that there was no government bias if the work were peer reviewed in an attempt to prop up the findings of one Chinese scientist that you cited.

So I picked a Chinese born scientist (which was your first allusion about your source, although you later confessed that he actually still lives in communist China but still dismissed any possibility of political bias because he was "peer reviewed"), who critiques peer review.

Unfortunately for you, you then corrected my "peer review" definition as one of funding and then went on to explain to me that funding follows only legitimate scientific questions.

DOH!

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Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Really?
Really!

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Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

oops...are you saying you disagree with this opinion that funding by peer review is politically biased? (i.e., in agreement with Dr. Ling).

Or are you saying the opposite, that peer review funding is a non-political, responsible, reliable way to appropriate funds for scientific research and that scientists attempting to debunk global warming are rightfully not receiving peer review funding?

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

I did not question any of the funding associated with the articles I posted; you and others did - claiming that they were funded by the Chinese government. They weren't, as I posted to answer you inquiries. Nice try at spin, no cigar.
Funding, by governmental agencies or other entities is decided before the science is done - via several levels of peer-review for the grant. The published work is also peer-reviewed before publication.

You'll have a hard time showing where I alluded to any conclusion about the authors of that paper (one of four, no less) except to say it really didn't matter to me - no cigar. (Although, I did actually say they seemed to have names of Chinese ethnicity.) Are they Chinese born? I don't know. I do know that they are at Nanjing U and the research in that paper is funded by the NSF, of course that was after yours and others' inquiries.

Rather, I see that as your unfortunate inaccuracies.

Yeah, I suppose this expression might apply if your attributions to me were accuracte - they are not.

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I cited a National Science Foundation (thats dot gov) article supporting the general consensus.

If Dr. Ling is right, (the Chinese scientist Si modo doesn't like), then the best way to fund scientific research is through private $$.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. According to the Union of Concerned ScientistsExxonMobile contributed $16,000,000 toward scientific research to debunk global warming.

I have no idea if this is correct. We must, of course, consider that this too is politically biased.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Interesting, isn't it, that we hear about the money spent on research to "debunk" global warming as though it were somehow unclean, but do you ever see figures on the money spent on research to support global warming theory?

Matt

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Seriously, what is the matter with you? Where, EXACTLY, did I say whether I liked him or not?

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Thanks for bringing that up. As I have been too busy correcting inaccurate attributions to what I post, I would have liked to have gotten to this glaring question.

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there is this link from the front page of their website: http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=110906

and again - http://www.exploratorium.edu/climate/index.html

you're right. they aren't debating it. They are presenting AGW as fact.

As the NSF posts new results of funded research (as do the NIH) on their sites, this result is from the University of Washington. The PI at UW has results from his funded research.

And these quotes are NOT from the NSF site, thus the NSF is NOT presenting ANYTHING as a fact.

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