It seems that the GW shills are being outed. I didn't see any of our posters that so fervently believe in Algore make any reference to the US Senate study debunking GW as a man-made event.

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.

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Why would you expect that ?

We're not all that focussed on reality here

Text from your link that we'll pretend doesn't exist:

Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.

But, but, but consensus is science!

And I'm serial about ManBearPig...

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

Impugn:
Over here, maybe.

of course one should look a little at the background of the author of the article Spudplanter is posting:

of course, as usual one has to look very carefully at these things. The source listed by Spad in the other thread (which appears to be a starting point for this source) is posted by Marc Morano.

An interesting character:
Marc Morano - SourceWatch
ExxonSecrets Factsheet: Marc Morano

Interesting choice for an appointment to a Senior Aid position on a climate committee doncha think?

Typical.

Show global warming for the propoganda bullshit that it IS and some resort to insults and/or namecalling.

Lame.

Get a hobby.

If it's total BS, where is the data to support your conclusion? With so many scientists apparently disagreeing with the theory, there should be some solid evidence in the literature, right?

So, where is it?

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Perhaps it's just me, but as far as I can read, the only vulgarity in either Daisy's post or your response came from you.

If the source for information is credible, it will stand up to being researched as to background and bias. I guess yours can't, eh?

For starters, these guys don't think the "consensus" is a slam-dunk:
SpringerLink - Journal Article
IngentaConnect THE CARBON DIOXIDE THERMOMETER AND THE CAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING
ScienceDirect - Earth and Planetary Science Letters : Reconstruction of temperature in the Central Alps during the past 2000 yr from a δ18O stalagmite record
SpringerLink - Journal Article
Also, in general, one knows the "discussion" should be moved to a sandbox when derogatory versions of names are used.

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* What are you lazy ? You want everyone to do your reading FOR you ? Firstly: *

Even some in the establishment media now appear to be taking notice of the growing number of skeptical scientists. In October, the Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics "appear to be expanding rather than shrinking." Many scientists from around the world have dubbed 2007 as the year man-made global warming fears “bite the dust.” (LINK) In addition, many scientists who are also progressive environmentalists believe climate fear promotion has "co-opted" the green movement.

This blockbuster Senate report lists the scientists by name, country of residence, and academic/institutional affiliation. It also features their own words, biographies, and weblinks to their peer reviewed studies and original source materials as gathered from public statements, various news outlets, and websites in 2007. This new “consensus busters” report is poised to redefine the debate.

Many of the scientists featured in this report consistently stated that numerous colleagues shared their views, but they will not speak out publicly for fear of retribution.

This new report details how teams of international scientists are dissenting from the UN IPCC’s view of climate science. In such nations as Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands, Russia, New Zealand and France, nations, scientists banded together in 2007 to oppose climate alarmism. In addition, over 100 prominent international scientists sent an open letter in December 2007 to the UN stating attempts to control climate were “futile.”

Paleoclimatologist Dr. Tim Patterson, professor in the department of Earth Sciences at Carleton University in Ottawa, recently converted from a believer in man-made climate change to a skeptic. Patterson noted that the notion of a “consensus” of scientists aligned with the UN IPCC or former Vice President Al Gore is false. “I was at the Geological Society of America meeting in Philadelphia in the fall and I would say that people with my opinion were probably in the majority.”

Former Vice President Gore has claimed that scientists skeptical of climate change are akin to “flat Earth society members” and similar in number to those who “believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona.”

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.

* I know you aren't interested in learning that the so called "consensus" on "global warming" is quickly disappearing. but it IS. Like it or not it IS.

Former Vice president Al Gore is being exposed for the charlatan he IS. He's not a scientist even. He has almost NO idea what he's talking about. But with Al Gore, whats new ?

Not that you'll be interested but here's more: *

Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was one of the first Canadian Ph.Ds. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening.

Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.

No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?

Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.

.........More

Global Warming, climate change facts

* Exactly the same kind of propoganda that Al Gore has served up. *

Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

We should listen most to scientists who use real data to try to understand what nature is actually telling us about the causes and extent of global climate change. In this relatively small community, there is no consensus, despite what Gore and others would suggest.

Appearing before the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development last year, Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"

Patterson concluded his testimony by explaining what his research and "hundreds of other studies" reveal: on all time scales, there is very good correlation between Earth's temperature and natural celestial phenomena such changes in the brightness of the Sun.

Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden, admits, "Some small areas in the Antarctic Peninsula have broken up recently, just like it has done back in time. The temperature in this part of Antarctica has increased recently, probably because of a small change in the position of the low pressure systems."

But Karlen clarifies that the 'mass balance' of Antarctica is positive - more snow is accumulating than melting off. As a result, Ball explains, there is an increase in the 'calving' of icebergs as the ice dome of Antarctica is growing and flowing to the oceans.

Global warming, Scientists, Al Gore climate change

* In otherwords, as usual we're not getting the full story from Al Gore and his ilk. No surprise.

I'm not going to copy and paste anymore for you. If you want to learn about this subject do so.

Otherwise, do what so many have done. Ignore science and have faith in propoganda and nonsense. Here are more readings for you on the off chance you're truly interested: *


DailyTech - Survey: Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory


Greenland ice yields hope on climate - The Boston Globe


Greenland Ice Find Debunks Al Gore’s Global Warming Theories | NewsBusters.org


Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming: Analysis Finds Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming Fears - Press Release


Global warming? It's natural, say experts | the Daily Mail


Are sunspots prime suspects in global warming? | csmonitor.com



CNN Meteorologist: ‘Definitely Some Inaccuracies’ in Gore Film | NewsBusters.org


Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’ | NewsBusters.org

* That might keep you occupied. Of course you can dismiss it all and continue yelling about man made "global warming" and tell us all about how it's a "scientific consensus."

We'll pretend that's true if we must. Just for you of course :-) *

By the way, Thane, thanks for pointing out Daisy's use of "spudplanter" in her post. I missed that when I first read it. It is additional evidence of the attempts to personally vilify and marginalize those who disagree that there is a consensus about climate change.

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This is mentioned in one or more of the articles I posted in # 10 here. Those that believe in Al Gores propoganda often become quite hateful and nasty when presented with opposing evidence.

The "consensus" has dissolved (not that it ever WAS).

They don't like that.

Hell, even comatose scientists can be civil when discussing science, right?

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It CAN be challenging to do when faced with people that have little real knowlege of the subject matter other than what is fed to them by media and political propogandists like Al Gore.

Thanks for the links. I'll be sure to pull the whole papers next time I get a chance.

That being said, from what I could gather from the abstracts, these papers don't negate the possibility of man having an impact on climate, only that the doomsday scenarios in the media are wrong (I did have to smirk a little bit though that one was a modeling paper, which many skeptics here have claimed in the past to be a useless way to look at this issue). I'm completely OK with that assessment. I don't think the world is going to end if we continue as we're going, but I do think there will be consequences that could cost us a lot of