I only would encourage them not to repeat our mistakes.

Andrew

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Certainly sounds like it doesn't it Matt?

Of course, as we all know, that IS the mentality of the left - do as I tell you to, not as I do, because I know whats good for you better than you do.

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while you enjoy the benefits of a society you despise.

Where I come from, thats called hypocrisy. Maybe they call it something different in Canada?

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I don't really enjoy civilization. Who could possibly take any enjoyment out of promoting the hamr and suffering that civilization causes?

The negatives far outweigh any benefit their is to civilization. So no, I encourage them because they have an opportunity to do better. To learn from our mistakes.


Its not hypocrisy if i don't enjoy it as you would suggest.

But even if it were, arguing hypocrisy is nothing but a cheap personal attack, its not an argument against or for the topic.

I'm still waiting for someone to defend civilization, rather than attacking me as a hypocrite. I admit i'm a hypocrite. So let's move on to the topic, shall we?

Comment on this:

If we in North America use ~25-30% of the worlds natural resources and we only consist of less than 10% of the global population, what are the likely consequences of the rest of the world engaging in a mad scramble to mimic the hyper-consumption of NA?

Add to that the inevitability of diminishing supplies, meaning more and more global violence perpetrated by the major consumers as they fight over what is left.

Another billion people with fossil fuel cars is bad news. Such is the unavoidable course of any civilization.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

While you're waiting, why not collapse the modern civilization around you, that is in your control.

Start with getting rid of your computer. Then move out in the wilderness and live in a hut. If you don't start with yourself, you're not just a hypocrite, you're a wanna-be dictatator demanding everyone else give up the goodies while you keep them.



The dismantling starts with you. Until then, you have no moral authority to tell anyone else to get rid of what they have.



You're part of the problem. You need to stop being part of the problem, then tell other people what to do.


As for the "billion Indians" maybe Algore can sell them some really cheap carbon credits, then all that pollution they make with their miniature cars won't count.

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hardly. I don't think its a good idea at all, and you can be assurred that it will have consequences - but I think we should cut down hourselves. You do realise that driving cars accounts for up to 30% of gg in some countries? if we started looking at better transport options OURSELVES we could reduce our carbon emissions easily.

And add to that - if we had good mass transit systems, then THAT would be something others would also be more likley to think was a good idea.

As it is ... we don't have the right to get excited about anyone else's carbon emissions. The GW we see today is the result of western nations - even with this Nano it will be another fifty years before we see the impact on the environment.

glad I'll be dead, quite frankly.

Is that what the "consensus of scientists" says? Or, is that what the press says?

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

US growth has long been based on suburban sprawl to avoid the societal failures in the majority of our inner-cities. That sprawl encouraged a mentality of cheap gas as a birthright, inefficient personal vehicles establishing themselves as the primary mode of individual ground transportation with mass transportation, primarily buses, being utilized to provide transportation for the poor and disadvantaged in abandoned inner-cities. The migration to a service economy, debtor nation dependent on imported goods is still personally denied by the US using public and personal debt to maintain a former standard of living, and the lack of mass transit planning and execution will become even more acute as the ongoing lack of US capital investment becomes more apparent with the cost of consumer goods and services distribution servicing a suburban population in the throes of excessive inflation.

You'll be alive for that, it's already happening in the US. The effect on the environment is long-term, something else for our descendants to cope with along with the massive debt we're irresponsibly accumulating.

So I guess when India starts using that much more oil and the price goes even higher than it is now, you'll be happy we didn't encourage them to stick to their mopeds?

What ever happened to self-interest?

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

It isn't our place to decide how their nation develops.

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It's not?

You're rejecting the foreign policy of the USA since 1946!

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

This is what the US has been doing for decades. The US has always interfered with the development of other nations. And continues to do so to this very day.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

So, "do as I say, not as I do".

Kinda arrogant, no?

Matt

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They have a chance to do better. I don't. I would starve to death for the economy i live in requires that i destroy the ecological systems in order to live. All i can do is mitigate my impact on it or kill myself - i choose mitigation - and i vote for candidates who express a desire to revolutionize the way we conduct business.

The developing world is still on the cusp, they can still choose to do things differently, to learn from our mistakes.

They would be wiser to not copy us. I think most of them are aware of that, far more aware than people in NA.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

Yes I am. That should hardly surprise you. I believe my stated perspective has always been "I dont give a fuck what you do in your country. Leave mine the hell alone".

I'm very much an isolationist.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.