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Old 01-27-2008
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Re: Enviro-wackos having nightmares about the Tato Nano - a little $2500 car

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Cars are not seen as luxury in India. It's seen as mode of transportation for a family. That's why a car with very basic facilities attract so much attention.
Cars are not a luxury in the US.

Also, the pollution created by India and China is horrific:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/26/wo...a/26china.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/bu...chinacoal.html

USATODAY.com - Pollution poisons China's progress

Pollution in India may affect climate: Science News Online, Jan. 6, 2001

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N04197040.htm

NPR: Pollution, Indifference Taint India's Sacred River

Online NewsHour: Report | E-waste Poses Problems in India | February 19, 2007 | PBS


Two things come to mind:

1) don't try to preach

2) adding more pollution is not the solution to India's (or China's) problems
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Re: Enviro-wackos having nightmares about the Tato Nano - a little $2500 car

India. No.

CAN Europe - World Top polluters 1997

1.U.S 24% 5,470 mt

2.China 14% 3,121 mt

3.Russia 6% 1,456 mt

4.Japan 5% 1,173 mt

5.Germany 4% 884 mt

6.The one billion Indians 4% 881 mt

7.U.K 2% 555mt

8.Canada 2% 477 mt

9.Italy 2% 424 mt

10.Korea 2% 422 mt

Practice before you preach.
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Survey shows eco-warriors are worst polluters
Survey shows eco-warriors are worst polluters - Telegraph

A survey of travel habits has revealed that the most environmentally conscious people are also the biggest polluters.

"Green" consumers have some of the biggest carbon footprints because they are still hooked on flying abroad or driving their cars while their adherence to the green cause is mostly limited to small gestures.

Identified as "eco-adopters", they are most likely to be members of an environmental organisation, buy green products such as detergents, recycle and have a keen interest in green issues.
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But the survey of 25,000 people, by the market research company Target Group Index, found that eco-adopters are seven per cent more likely than the general population to take flights, and four per cent more likely to own a car. The survey found similar trends in France and the United States.

Geoff Wicken, the author of the report, pointed to David Cameron, the Conservative leader, as a classic eco-adopter because despite styling himself as a green warrior he also takes flights in private helicopters and planes.

World's worst polluters revealed
World's worst polluters revealed - Telegraph

Australians are the world's worst polluters, according to a new 'name and shame' league table based on power station emissions.

Each Australian produces 11 tonnes of CO2 power sector emissions each year on a per capita basis. The United States comes second in the table on nine tonnes per person Britain is ranked 9th at 3.5 tonnes per person.

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Drax power station in Yorkshire was the UK's worst emitter of CO2

The findings are revealed in a huge survey of the CO2 emissions from 50,000 power plants worldwide by the Centre for Global Development (CGD) an independent think-tanked based in the US.

The on-line Carbon Monitoring for Action (CARMA) database shows where the worst power station culprits are, who owns them and how much of the greenhouse gas they are pumping into the atmosphere.

It includes 4,000 power companies, and nearly 200,000 geographic regions in every country on earth. Visitors to the site can view carbon emissions data for the year 2000, the present, and future plans.

Power stations are the planet's most concentrated source of greenhouse gases - one of the main factors in global arming - producing nearly 10 billion tons of CO 2 per year. The US, with over 8,000 power plants, accounts for about 25 per cent of the total or 2.8 billion tons.

Although the developing nations are among the worst offenders they have a far lower per capita rate. The average Chinese citizen produces two tonnes of CO2 from power generation annually while Indians only about half of one tonne per person.

Although no single country comes close to the 2.8 billion tons of CO 2 produced annually by the US power sector, other countries collectively account for three-quarters of all the power-related CO2 emissions.

China comes second with 2.7 billion tonnes, followed by Russia with 661m tonnes; India 583m tonnes; Japan 400m tonnes, Germany 356m tonnes, Australia 226m tonnes, South Africa 222m tonnes, the UK 212m tonnes and South Korea 185m tonnes.

Power generation accounts for about one-quarter of total emissions of CO2. Through the website people concerned about climate change can check on the emissions of their local power station.

CARMA was set up to help the drive towards less carbon-intensive power generation and reducing global warming which will hit poor people in developing countries the hardest.

The man who led the research, David Wheeler, a senior fellow at CGD, said: "CARMA makes information about power-related CO2 emissions transparent to people throughout the world. Information leads to action. We know that this works for other forms of pollution and we believe it can work for greenhouse gas emissions, too.

"We expect that institutional and private investors, insurers, lenders, environmental and consumer groups and individual activists will use the CARMA data to encourage power companies to burn less coal and oil and to shift to renewable power sources, such as wind and solar."

Statistics for the UK show it has the 9th highest CO2-emitting power sector at 212,000,000 tonnes of CO2.

The Drax power station in Selby, Yorkshire is named as the biggest UK polluter producing 23,700,000 tonnes of CO2 annually making it the 23rd most polluting power station in the world.

It is followed in the UK by Longannet in Alloa, Scotland at 15,700,000 tonnes; Ratcliffe in the East Midlands at 12,800,000 tonnes; Fiddlers Ferry in the North West at 12,300,000 tonnes; and Cottam in the East Midlands at 12,300,000 tonnes.

The world's worst pollution power plant is Taichung in the city of Lung-Ching in Taiwan which pumps out 41.3m tonnes of CO2 per year.

Taiwan and China have four of the top six worst polluting power plants

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Although no single country comes close to the 2.8 billion tons of CO 2 produced annually by the US power sector, other countries collectively account for three-quarters of all the power-related CO2 emissions.

China comes second with 2.7 billion tonnes, followed by Russia with 661m tonnes; India 583m tonnes; Japan 400m tonnes, Germany 356m tonnes, Australia 226m tonnes, South Africa 222m tonnes, the UK 212m tonnes and South Korea 185m tonnes.

Per capita wise India is the least. Indians only about half of one tonne per person.


This is why I am saying that instead of asking others to reduce pollution, the developed world must start the process. It will have a very positive impact. And only the developed world can make the change since they are the largest polluters of this planet.
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Re: Enviro-wackos having nightmares about the Tato Nano - a little $2500 car

I think you're failing to understand that pollution is not just carbon dioxide.
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