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Old 04-03-2008
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Re: Canadian seal blood-fest underway.

As long as the seal hunt is sustainable and poses no threat to the arctic ecosystem, i have no problem with it. If the species remains viable and the seals are allowed to fulfill their ecological niche year after year, both as hunted and hunter, than the seal hunt is a legitimate and viable form of subsistence for those who wish to partake. I.e., i have far more respect for the sealing industry than i do for the cattle industry and its inherent cruelty, ecological destruction, and unsustainable means of production.

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I am not attempting to be funny. I simply have no problem with killing and eating animals. Is it cruel to kill a cow, pig, fish, or chicken?

I'd also like a new fur hat and I understand that the pelts of baby seals make very good hats.
I am the proud owner of a seal fur hat and matching mittens with the ruff made from sea otter. There is no material comparible in extreme temps in the -40 and colder ranges. Also its waterproof characteristics and protection from wind really make it ideal. I dont bother wearing mine until it is 0 F out or cooler.

Wearing one in LA on the coldest day of the year there would have you sweating while sitting on the deck.
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Not true at all. Hunters go out in the woods together in groups all the time in close proximity with a minimum of accidents. Not counting Dick Cheney, of course. But he was drunk, so that's different.
Those hunters are staying fairly close together and shooting outwards. I'm assuming(though I honestly don't know) that seal hunters tend to be scattered across the killing field and facing all directions.

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But as I said, if you're close enough to an animal to hit it with a club, you're close enough to put the muzzle of a gun to it's head.

How the hell could anyone accidentally shoot someone fifty feet off to one side of them while pointing their gun straight down an inch away from the top of a seal's head? The bullet would pass through & go straight into the snow or ice or whatever was underneath them.
A stray bullet that was intended for a seal isn't the only risk. A weapon with the safety off and a finger on the trigger is very dangerous when standing on ice. Especially when you add the 270 kg animals thrashing about in close quarters.
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Those hunters are staying fairly close together and shooting outwards. I'm assuming(though I honestly don't know) that seal hunters tend to be scattered across the killing field and facing all directions.

A stray bullet that was intended for a seal isn't the only risk. A weapon with the safety off and a finger on the trigger is very dangerous when standing on ice. Especially when you add the 270 kg animals thrashing about in close quarters.
Ticky-tacky hair splitting.

I'm sure these guys have footwear with appropriate traction if they're out there swinging clubs around for Pete's sake. Give 'em golf shoes or football cleats for Chrissakes!!!

And once again, if the gun is pointed downward, there is little risk involved. Aside from that, there is a certain amount of risk involved in almost anything.

I think the reason these people continue to use clubs is because of some narrow-minded adherence to tradition as many indigenous type peoples are wont to do.

"My father did it this way, his father did it this way, & his father's father did it this way, so by-God I'm gonna do it this way too."

Screw that shit.
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Re: Canadian seal blood-fest underway.

Hi Folks,
In terms of this seal hunt, and comparing to other harvesting methods in other areas, the main reason for not using a firearm is the damage done to the pelts. Whereas this is largely a commercial endevour. Whereas in Alaska where seal hunting is limited to subsistence hunting, it is largely done with a firearm from a boat nowadays. It takes a fair amount of skill to get a hit, as usually only the head is visible and not a large target, put into the motion of being on a small boat on the sea and well there is a reason the Ruger Mini-14 is quite popular for the task.
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Btw, the hakapik is supposed to be relatively humane if it used correctly, right?
Is that what they use on Death Row in Canada ?
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Is that what they use on Death Row in Canada ?
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Re: Canadian seal blood-fest underway.

Luap in post 15.

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Re: Canadian seal blood-fest underway.

Thank you.
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Re: Canadian seal blood-fest underway.

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Btw, the hakapik is supposed to be relatively humane if it used correctly, right?
Is that what they use on Death Row in Canada ?
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Animals that are annoying to us, or that we breed solely to kill, are justifiably slaughtered; wild animals, no? I certainly understand animals that are dangerous to us, but I just don't see much consistency in the animals rights crowd. Then again, I've never really followed it. That said, though, if Canada started "farming" the seals instead of just letting them live wild, would that sate the animal rights activists? I doubt it.

Btw, the hakapik is supposed to be relatively humane if it used correctly, right?
Canada has a death penalty? It appears as if moon has a few decades to catch up on history. Oh, silly me, history started in 2000 for many.
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Re: Canadian seal blood-fest underway.

Si Modo;
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Canada has a death penalty? It appears as if moon has a few decades to catch up on history. Oh, silly me, history started in 2000 for many.
Oh, so you mean that Canada has a sense of morality when it comes to putting creatures to death ? In that case, why are these arseholes allowed out to hack into the wildlife with spikes ?

A circuitous route, but we got there. Thank you for your assistance.
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Oh, so you mean that Canada has a sense of morality when it comes to putting creatures to death ? In that case, why are these arseholes allowed out to hack into the wildlife with spikes ?

A circuitous route, but we got there. Thank you for your assistance.
Are you a vegetarian or a vegan? Do you have any leather shoes? If so, then I understand your reference to morality w.r.t. killing animals. If not, then...well....
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Are you a vegetarian or a vegan? Do you have any leather shoes? If so, then I understand your reference to morality w.r.t. killing animals. If not, then...well....
Coming from someone who supports war, but claims to value human life.... hello mr teapot....

Nobody can escape the hypocrisy that is inherent in this culture Si Modo, not even you.

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Coming from someone who supports war, but claims to value human life.... hello mr teapot....

Nobody can escape the hypocrisy that is inherent in this culture Si Modo, not even you.

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Re: Canadian seal blood-fest underway.

The EU's enviroment commissioner is working on an EU-wide ban or at least very strickt rules on seal imports from Canada. Some European countries have already banned seal imports. The EU parliament has already called for tougher rules so it's fairly certain a new law will be approved.

EuroNews : EU to ban cruelly killed seals

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