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Old 05-03-2008
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Re: Massive Oil Deposit could Increase US reserves by 10x

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I agree, let start building nuke powerplants to start

No thanks, it takes enormous amounts of water to cool the reactor and uhhh, can we put all that waste in your back yard?
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Old 05-04-2008
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Re: Massive Oil Deposit could Increase US reserves by 10x

Exxon Pumped Less Oil on the Way to $10.9 Billion Profit - US News and World Report

I know this proves nothing but that Exxon pumped less oil, but I consider it to be a harbinger of Peak Oil. If they had pumped more, they could have sold that oil, too, and that would have generated additional revenues. But they have enough money to buy access to new deposits. And this investment would have generated additional revenues. But still in the end, they weren't able to produce as much as they produced before. Well, we all know that there is only one way for a corp. not to earn more money: By not beeing able to do so. Seems that the oil-"crisis" has become serious enough to hit (the first?) oil-giant.
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Old 05-04-2008
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Re: Massive Oil Deposit could Increase US reserves by 10x

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No thanks, it takes enormous amounts of water to cool the reactor and uhhh, can we put all that waste in your back yard?
No problem, we bury it in a mountain. No doubt theyll come up with better solutions in the future too.
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No problem, we bury it in a mountain. No doubt theyll come up with better solutions in the future too.
It IS a problem, and the fact that there may (possibly) be solutions to it still leaves nuclear power less attractive than any other source of energy except for fossil fuels. So as I said originally, while we shouldn't rule it out altogether, it is not the first thing we should shoot for; rather, it's a last resort to turn to if a combination of improved efficiency and renewable energy still won't provide enough.

You know, sometimes I think the reason some people advocate nuclear power has nothing to do with anything about nuclear power itself, but merely because they know environmentalists tend to be against it (sometimes beyond reason, admittedly), and they are self-identified as being against environmentalists. Other than that, or if you're a company that would profit from developing it, I can't think of a single reason why it should be preferred by anybody over solar, wind, geothermal, biomass, tidal, or even in some cases hydroelectric. Only over fossil fuels, and that only because of global warming and peak oil.
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Old 05-05-2008
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It IS a problem, and the fact that there may (possibly) be solutions to it still leaves nuclear power less attractive than any other source of energy except for fossil fuels. So as I said originally, while we shouldn't rule it out altogether, it is not the first thing we should shoot for; rather, it's a last resort to turn to if a combination of improved efficiency and renewable energy still won't provide enough.

You know, sometimes I think the reason some people advocate nuclear power has nothing to do with anything about nuclear power itself, but merely because they know environmentalists tend to be against it (sometimes beyond reason, admittedly), and they are self-identified as being against environmentalists. Other than that, or if you're a company that would profit from developing it, I can't think of a single reason why it should be preferred by anybody over solar, wind, geothermal, biomass, tidal, or even in some cases hydroelectric. Only over fossil fuels, and that only because of global warming and peak oil.
Great post!

I couldn't agree more.

LET'S PUSH nuclear power, because Rush says so.

It is so pathetic.

I would bet not one of these people have bothered to research hemp, biomass, or biodiesel.

Not one.

Sickening.
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Old 05-05-2008
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Not to split hairs or anything but we have produced no more than around 85 million barrels a day since May of 2005 while demand continues to rise - May 2005 is the date that some observers are calling the actual peak.

Its a pretty scary situation when you consider that the growth of word economies is expected to demand ~120-130 million barrels a day in just a few decades. And we are already struggling to break the 85 million mark. Not a good sign.

Andrew
And the obvious answer to this dilemma is that we need an economic model that is based on sustainability rather than perpetual expansion. An economic model that serves everyone, not just the shysters.
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Great post!

I couldn't agree more.

LET'S PUSH nuclear power, because Rush says so.

It is so pathetic.

I would bet not one of these people have bothered to research hemp, biomass, or biodiesel.

Not one.

Sickening.
If memory serves me, the average nuke plant lasts about half the amount of time for which it's licensed, meaning that about half of the decommissioning costs end up being stranded, and the taxpayers, as usual, take a bath.

Yeah, that's the ticket, eh?
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No thanks, it takes enormous amounts of water to cool the reactor and uhhh, can we put all that waste in your back yard?
Uhhh, the water is shielded from radiation. That's the whole point of nuclear plants...heat the water to run turbines to produce electricity. That part of the process is simple thermodynamics...the heated water's heat is converted to energy.
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Re: Massive Oil Deposit could Increase US reserves by 10x

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It IS a problem, and the fact that there may (possibly) be solutions to it still leaves nuclear power less attractive than any other source of energy except for fossil fuels. So as I said originally, while we shouldn't rule it out altogether, it is not the first thing we should shoot for; rather, it's a last resort to turn to if a combination of improved efficiency and renewable energy still won't provide enough.

You know, sometimes I think the reason some people advocate nuclear power has nothing to do with anything about nuclear power itself, but merely because they know environmentalists tend to be against it (sometimes beyond reason, admittedly), and they are self-identified as being against environmentalists. Other than that, or if you're a company that would profit from developing it, I can't think of a single reason why it should be preferred by anybody over solar, wind, geothermal, biomass, tidal, or even in some cases hydroelectric. Only over fossil fuels, and that only because of global warming and peak oil.
We prefer it because its efficient and proven. Much like oil!
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Re: Massive Oil Deposit could Increase US reserves by 10x

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Great post!

I couldn't agree more.

LET'S PUSH nuclear power, because Rush says so.

It is so pathetic.

I would bet not one of these people have bothered to research hemp, biomass, or biodiesel.

Not one.

Sickening.
I bet you havent either. You should watch the throwing of stones.
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Re: Massive Oil Deposit could Increase US reserves by 10x

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No thanks, it takes enormous amounts of water to cool the reactor and uhhh, can we put all that waste in your back yard?
As it is right now, it is the ONLY viable replacement for oil and coal power. As for the waste, used fuel rods have a certain percentage of usable nuclear materials and it is common practice to filter out such materials to create new fuel rods. When this is done properly the actual waste is minuscule and the radiation levels are dangerous for a much shorter amount of time. Advancement of nuclear technology has mad leaps and bounds beyond what most people think.
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Re: Massive Oil Deposit could Increase US reserves by 10x

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Great post!

I couldn't agree more.

LET'S PUSH nuclear power, because Rush says so.

It is so pathetic.

I would bet not one of these people have bothered to research hemp, biomass, or biodiesel.

Not one.

Sickening.
You would be surprised that allot of us have. And Nuke power still remains the only Viable option right now. I am not denying the future potential of other sources of power.
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Re: Massive Oil Deposit could Increase US reserves by 10x

Unfortunately nuclear will not much help in the long term. Uranium is also a non-renewable resource.

Andrew
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I bet you havent either. You should watch the throwing of stones.
Excuse me?

I have done more reading on hemp than probably anyone at this forum. I have also probably done more reading on biomass and biodiesel than anyone on this forum.

As to hemp biomass for energy, here is a great place to start, a strong economic paper by Tim Castleman....

Hemp Biomass for Energy

Next, we have 25 states looking at hemp as a way to save their small farms and for fuel........

About a year ago, Republican state Senator Stan Bingham went looking for new potential energy sources for his soybean oil-fueled car. After some research, he concluded that hempseed oil might generate the type of gas he was looking for.

"Hemp is great for alternative fuel," Bingham said.

With the passage of the bill, North Carolina became the 25th state to authorize or complete a study on the potential economic impact of industrial hemp, Bingham said. Federal law prohibits the cultivation of Cannibis sativa, the plant from which both industrial hemp and marijuana come from.

A US Department of Agriculture (USDA) report on industrial hemp stated that the plant cannot be visually discerned from marijuana. But a chemical analysis of marijuana reveals that the drug contains between 3 and 15 percent mind-altering THC, compared to a paltry 0.3 percent for industrial hemp.

"Serious marijuana growers don't want industrial hemp legalized because it crossbreeds with their plants," Bingham said. "If you smoke industrial hemp it will make you sick."

Some law enforcement agencies have said that hemp fields might provide cover for marijuana farmers, but Eidinger said that is unlikely to happen because of cross pollination.

"The last place someone would want to grow marijuana is in a hemp field," Eidinger said.


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Another lie told by our government exposed by a member of our own government.

What the sheeple fail to realize is that hemp is not illegal because it is difficult to distinguish from marijuana, like we are told.

The truth is that marijuana is illegal because the "elites" do not want hemp products competing with those of their industries.

There is much, much more, maybe I should start a new thread.
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Re: Massive Oil Deposit could Increase US reserves by 10x

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You would be surprised that allot of us have. And Nuke power still remains the only Viable option right now. I am not denying the future potential of other sources of power.
If cheap power is your only concern, then nuclear is a good way to go. Of course you still have those pesky spent fuel rods to dispose of. I guess we can keep making more DU ammunition to shoot at more and more enemies so we can spread our radioactive waste around the world.
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