Take your pick. It doesn't matter.

The point is that "brainwashing" was branded as a patent belonging to a particular political side. I'm just calling the bluff on that notion.

Deplorable is a value judgement. So, I'm asking you, "What deplorable ideas?"

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Take your pick. It doesn't matter.

The point is that "brainwashing" was branded as a patent belonging to a particular political side. I'm just calling the bluff on that notion.

Dodging, as usual. No surprise.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

There is nothing to dodge. When it doesn't matter then it doesn't matter, Si Modo. In fact, Impugn would most likely find an idea to be of excellent value in order to brainwash his kids with it. An idea that others may or may not find particularly good. Doesn't matter. The point was solely that he doesn't have to be "leftist" in order to employ the method of brainwashing.

You'd have a point (one that I could try to dodge if I had that urge) if you quoted me on the "demonstrably deplorable" statement. Althought the point was still about fallacious argumentation of a political standpoint, the literal wording "demonstrably deplorable" is logically flawed.

Thank you for stating a point. It's good to know that it's not too hard for you to spit one out from time to time.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

I chose that school because of its demonstrated academic success and because it provides religious instruction. My wife likes the religious aspect more because of what it provides. I like it more because of what it does NOT provide (i.e. pro-homo propaganda). It's just yet another run-of-the-mill Catholic school that is doing a hell of a lot better job than the vast majority of the public schools in the country.

Key part is: I chose it. And, to be perfectly honest, my 11 year old boy has more than once thanked us for letting him attend that school. He participates in all manner of public youth sports and is occasionally subject to the worst the public school system has to offer (at least he doesn't get challenged with coaching them like I do). And I when I say "worst", at that age, it is just about always a direct result of shitty parentage and completely undisciplined schooling. So, the morons with any given mix of the following: incapable of getting along with the other kids...starting fights...unable to take direction or follow simple instructions...zero attention span...lazy to the core...no regard for authority...well, at least my kid doesn't get stuck having to learn in the same classroom as them.

If you disagree with my philosophy here, I really don't give a fuck. The results have been measured. Advantage, my family. The less people that subscribe to my point of view, the less real competition for my family, now and in the future. Works for me. Do what you got to do.

This man-caused global warming bullshit, however, is being forced without choice. Its followers treat it exactly like a religion...in terms of the most negative way one can do such a thing. I have partially shielded my kid from it though, because it doesn't gain much traction in my son's school...it being bullshit, and whatnot.

We know that both are warming. So is Mars. Sun is getting hotter. Shit happens. No men on Mars or Jupiter or the Sun, although I'd be all for the Democrat Convention being held on any of them.

What we don't know is what the "proper" climate is. Who is to say that what it been at any given moment - from Ice Age to molten mess - is the "correct" climate for the planet...the "normal" climate for the planet. Nobody. Anybody that pretends to know should be kicked in the junk.

I need to hold a seminar like this:

If your right nut hurts, go see a doctor. It might be cancer.

If your right nut hurts and your left nut hurts and I just happened to have just kicked you in the junk, I'd not be too worried about cancer.

The things you mention are all, as you say, due to "Humans". There are no humans on Mars or Jupiter. Either explain the phenomenon on those two other planets such that what is affecting them does not also affect Earth, and maybe, just maybe, you'll have arrived at a point. I've read people with far more degrees than you, though, torture the shit out of some logic and still not manage to pull it off.

If there is indeed Global Warming, it is not man-caused. "Fighting" it would be the most ridiculous and monumental waste of resources in the history of humanity. Further, stated efforts to "fight" it have been centered around the very basic concept of global socialism. People are nakedly using the "issue" as a means by which to redistribute wealth. Like a religion and its interpretation misused, it is nothing but a tool for some to gain power, wealth, and influence.

In the end, I'm not going to alter my lifestyle just for the fuck of it. You want me to "be green"? Fine. Whatever. I will when:

A) It does not compromise my lifestyle
B) It costs the same (or less) time/effort/money as what I am currently expending

That is to say, "green" is not my concern. If any given way of doing something is the most convenient, cost effective, and speedy method...I'll do it. Oh, it's "green", too? Cool. Whatever.

If I buy an especially energy efficient water heater is it because I believe it will do the job that has to be done, but cost me less money down the road. What the homo in sandals has to say about it does not concern me one bit. Likewise using "compact flourescent" light bulbs. Likewise hybrid cars. And so on.

Remember, though, you're talking with somebody that spent 2 hours chiseling [what was probably] 40 years worth of calcium and lime buildup out of a toilet's trap just to avoid having to buy a new toilet - one of those Al Gore-ish toilets that doesn't flush for shit. I will not adopt inferior methods if it can at all be avoided.

Now, of course, this is part of the reason the sandal-wearing leftists absolutely enjoy inflated energy prices. It is a means by which to stimulate people like me to adopt the behavior they prescribe. They have absolutely no interest in lowering energy prices because they lose much of their power/control when that happens. As is usual with all things leftist, their success is directly proportional to the amount of misery there is (real or perceived, of course).

In any event, would you accept my theory that you should be forced into Christianity? Hell, if it's bullshit, no harm done, but if it's not, your eternal soul will be saved. Win/win! Hedge your bets, right? That is the dumbest reason in the world to become a Christian and is the dumbest reason in the world to subscribe to man-caused global warming bullshit. When I say "dumbest" I sincerely mean "reserved for only the least intelligent among us who are destined to be led around this world like morons on leashes forever".

Mostly for shitty so-called "scientists", university researchers, and politicians. They, too, may have their respective conventions on the Sun, Mars, or Jupiter.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

Good for you. So you do want forced indoctrination into a cult/religion, except it has to be indoctrination into a cult/religion that you choose because, otherwise, the indoctrinated kids will emerge especially retarded. Got it.

The only thing I suspect you "got" is perhaps an extra chromosome.

Where, exactly, do I champion "forced indoctrination", Sparky? If you're talking about me "forcing" my kid to go to Catholic school, um, I'm a parent - and not one of those me-first jerkoff Baby Boomer Anything Goes types, either. I "force" my kid to do all sorts of stuff that's good for him including eating spinach.

It's working out fine and has absolutely nothing to do with you and your kid.

The global warming cult forces their shit on everybody, everywhere.

Comprendez-vous?

So what is your beef?

"Got it?"

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

No beef, "Sparky". As said, I merely find your views mighty interesting. Both that of creating retards and that of choice and, apparantly, no choice.

I don't think you possess an understanding enough of my views to find them interesting unless you're somehow fascinated by the pretty pattern the pixels make upon your screen.

If you do, you certainly have not expressed as such.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

Well, if you're not expressing your views here but merely making pretty patterns of pixels then you're right that it's not at all interesting. My mistake.

Nope, good solid jobs in manufactureing and maintenance...


About the Sun is getting hotter thing... yep... but it is not the sole cause for warming... believe it or not, scientists are able to notice both...

And if Mars is heating up more, then perhaps because the Atmosphere of Mars is made up by 95,3 % COČ...

Conpiracy theorists like you will never accept popular sciences.... because it is Magic...


About changing the lifestyle...
Well everyone can see that oil is getting less.... Exxon has serious trouble finding new sources...
So adapting to these circumstances is crucial for "survival"... meaning, if you are the typical Joe in the US, the US industry will work for you... and as soon as energy prices go up... the typical Joe will buy Japanese and European stuff... because their industries are already adapting.

That is why Toyota is now the biggest car maker on the planet... and that's also why the Renewable Energy Market is growing rappidly over here with American and Chinese companies buying huge.

I say:
Climate change yes or no - who cares in the end...going Green is the right Stratigic Path towards energy independence... which is one of the most important things for staying wealthy in the future.

If you build a house today... would you spend $200.000 for a normal house or $250.000 for a house with a 60-80% reduced energy consumption?

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That'll only work as a valid argument if the composition is varying. Do we know if it is and, if so, do we know if it's shifting towards the effects of heating rather than cooling?

I'm with you on this.

By the way, "going Green" is an interesting choice of phrase, - given the color of the American currency

He he...
Well, considering that increasing energy efficiency saves people alot of money, it should be viewed as two sides of the same coin

I would like to hear more people on TV or in Discussions make that point... because while saving the enviroment and preventing something that might happen in 100 years sounds very noble... it is not a good motivation for common people to change their behaviour.

But building a house that has a total energy consumption of a few thousend kWh electricity a year and can be heated by lighting a few candles... THAT is a cool motivation (at least in my opinion).

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