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ThorHammer · #31 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by goober

What the good Doctor is saying is that anthropomorphic global warming is accepted by all the worlds leading scientists

But that isn't the case. Should he be locked up for spreading misinformation now?

jviehe · #32 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

You should base your opinion of his science based upon his science and the evidence he presents, with the criticism of peers.

That's how science works.

You're getting politics and science confused, which happens on an unfortunately regular basis on this subject.

Actually, I think Hansen is getting them confused. He is the one claiming political solutions to scientfic problems. Im not even presenting an opinion of his science. He is entitled to it. I am criticizing his attempt to criminalize those who disagree with him and put out contrary opinions.

Donkey_Left · #33 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by jviehe

Veteran climate scientist says 'lock up the oil men' | The Register

If you need any more reason not to listen to this guy, here you go.

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Originally Posted by jviehe

Actually, I think Hansen is getting them confused. He is the one claiming political solutions to scientfic problems. Im not even presenting an opinion of his science. He is entitled to it. I am criticizing his attempt to criminalize those who disagree with him and put out contrary opinions.

Your blanket generalizations and hyperbole confused me. I apologize.

TheStripey1 · #34 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by jviehe

Veteran climate scientist says 'lock up the oil men' | The Register

If you need any more reason not to listen to this guy, here you go.

how about the same story from an unbiased source?

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NASA warming scientist: 'This is the last chance'

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer
Mon Jun 23, 2008

WASHINGTON - Exactly 20 years after warning America about global warming, a top NASA scientist said the situation has gotten so bad that the world's only hope is drastic action.

James Hansen told Congress on Monday that the world has long passed the "dangerous level" for greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and needs to get back to 1988 levels. He said Earth's atmosphere can only stay this loaded with man-made carbon dioxide for a couple more decades without changes such as mass extinction, ecosystem collapse and dramatic sea level rises.

"We're toast if we don't get on a very different path," Hansen, director of the Goddard Institute of Space Sciences who is sometimes called the godfather of global warming science, told The Associated Press. "This is the last chance."

...snip

Longtime global warming skeptic Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., citing a recent poll, said in a statement, "Hansen, (former Vice President) Gore and the media have been trumpeting man-made climate doom since the 1980s. But Americans are not buying it."

But Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., committee chairman, said, "Dr. Hansen was right. Twenty years later, we recognize him as a climate prophet."

so which camp are you in? Do you believe, as Imhoff does, that the extreme weather patterns we have been experiencing of late are normal or do you believe, as Dr Hanson does, that it portends of increasingly more disastrous events to come...

TheStripey1 · #35 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by SMadsen

Putting out misinformation deliberately is a crime by my standards as well. That goes for all parties, whatever side of an issue they are on.

good idea... all of fox noise would be in jail...

TheStripey1 · #36 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

So there will now be an official "right" side of all debate, and any attempt to distribute information which opposes this position will be a "high crime against humanity"?

Screw that.

Matt

which side are you on, Matt?

The side that says there is global climate change or the side that says there isn't?

Si modo · #37 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by TheStripey1

which side are you on, Matt?

The side that says there is global climate change or the side that says there isn't?

Are there "sides" in good science?

TheStripey1 · #38 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by goober

What the good Doctor is saying is that anthropomorphic global warming is accepted by all the worlds leading scientists, however the oil and coal industries have paid spokesmen who misrepresent the science in order to delay the reduction in the use of fossil fuels.
These paid spokesmen have mislead millions of people into believing that there is actually some legitimate doubt as to whether carbon based global warming is real.
Exactly like the "scientists" employed by the tobacco companies fought for decades to create the illusion that the deleterious effects caused by smoking were "a theory" with no real basis in science, pushed by fanatics, and for the same reason, profit.

Maybe the solution will be similar with a judgment against the oil and coal companies holding them liable for the damage done by the delay in taking effective measures to curb global warming.

Quite true, goober...

All one has to do, really, is just look at what is happening around us daily... was it this way when you were growing up?

Not in my case, but then, I am over 60... a lot of things happen today that didn't happen when I was growing up...

Si modo · #39 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by TheStripey1

Quite true, goober...

All one has to do, really, is just look at what is happening around us daily... was it this way when you were growing up?

Not in my case, but then, I am over 60... a lot of things happen today that didn't happen when I was growing up...

Let's get you focused - the subject of the thread is about Hansen wanting any one who denies GW to be in violation of the law. Now, that that's out of the way, any comments?

(man, you make this way too easy.)

TheStripey1 · #40 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

But that's not what Hansen advocates. He advocates imprisoning people for "high crimes against humanity".

Perhaps you'd care to address what Hansen advocates? That is the thread topic....

he doesn't advocate anything of the sort in the article I read on yahoo... I'm not in the least bit surprized it was reported he alledgedly said that on a right winger site.

The topic should be about global climate change and what we do about it... this is the man that first warned us about it 20 years ago...

we did nothing about it then... we do nothing about it now... when do you suggest we start doing something? when it's too late?

TheStripey1 · #41 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by ThorHammer

But that isn't the case. Should he be locked up for spreading misinformation now?

Got any links that say how many legitimate scientists (that is scientists not paid by oil and coal companies) don't believe in global climate change?

MattLarson · #42 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by TheStripey1

which side are you on, Matt?

The side that says there is global climate change or the side that says there isn't?

Irrelevant.

Regardless of what side one is on, locking someone up for holding an opposing belief is bullshit.

Matt

TheStripey1 · #43 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Si modo

Are there "sides" in good science?

there are in this case... there is the side that says it is happening and the side that says it isn't...

again, I'm in the former category, where are you?

TheStripey1 · #44 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Si modo

Let's get you focused - the subject of the thread is about Hansen wanting any one who denies GW to be in violation of the law. Now, that that's out of the way, any comments?

(man, you make this way too easy.)

That Is off the wall... but...

I really don't believe he said anything like it...

perhaps the right winger site the TO was quoted from made it all up... wouldn't be the first time and it sure as hell won't be the last...

do you deny global climate change is occuring?

TheStripey1 · #45 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

Irrelevant.

Regardless of what side one is on, locking someone up for holding an opposing belief is bullshit.

Matt

If he said that... then it's bogus...

so now, answer my question, Matt... you a believer? or a disbeliever?

and obtw, how about a link from a different site saying what this site says he said... maybe one with a little less bias...

is there one?

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