Let's discuss the science... shall we? Anyone have a problem with the AP? They're a solid source in my book...

which side are you on?

Those that believe global climate change is happening or those that don't believe it is?

I'm in the former... you?

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so since we've been cooling for the last 7-8 years what does that do ?

I make my judgement based o peer reviewed research. This is a news item. So, there really is not much to say except science has no side and politics apparently do. Try not to mix the two bacuse those that do tend to make themselves or their "data" look pretty silly.

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not where I live here in hot and dry California... where do you live?

but hey, I'm easy... ask anyone here...

got a credible link supporting your claim? or do you think I should just believe you just because you say it is so?

sorry, but that dog don't hunt...

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kinda looks like Thomas Karl might be a scientist... but hey... I could be wrong... nevertheless... either you believe there is a climate change taking place or you don't...

so which is it for you?

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It's a news article. Do you have anything peer-reviewed since you are trying to discuss science? I don't mix science with politics.

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You are making this too hard on poor stripey! How dare you question Al Gore and his false science!! Why do you hate the earth? Are you a racist too?

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You mean you are looking for a consensus?
BEYOND THE IVORY TOWER: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change -- Oreskes 306 (5702): 1686 -- Science

No peer reviewed papers that disagreed with the consensus on Global Warming.

It's like evolution all over again...................

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No, Goober. I'm laughing at the idea of a consensus in the scientific community. It's pretty funny.

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Well, there is never going to be an issue where everyone in a community as broadly defined as "the scientific community" agrees completely. But you asked for "peer reviewed" and if you look at 928 peer reviewed papers and exactly none of them reject the AGW theory. That's about as close to consensus as you are going to get.


I mean, There actually is a "peer reviewed" creationist journal.
Creationists launch peer-reviewed journal | Tech news blog - CNET News.com

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“My anger did not help my campaign ... People don’t like angry candidates very much.”

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Um, Goobs, there are much more than just 928 peer-reviewed publications on global warming. That would be like me saying 6,268 cars in DC are blue, thus cars are blue.

If you reaaaaaaaallllllly want to see them, I will be more than happy to provide you with references. If it will stop your silly idea of science being done by consensus, I can do that.

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There's nothing in the OP which suggests that warming, if it's true, is not simply a natural occurance, which would happen if we were here or not.

There's an interesting table on this website: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001416.html

35 states recorded standing record high temperatures prior to 1940. Three states have standing record high temperatures which were recorded in the 19th century. Only six have standing records recorded in the 1990's, and not a single record high temperature has been recorded in this century.

California saw its' record high temperature recorded (134 degrees) in 1913, when there were roughly 2.3 million people living in the state. In 2007, there were over 35 million people here. I don't have the numbers, but I'd be willing to bet that there were more cars polluting the air in 2007 than there were in 1913, and far less industry.

If that table is accurate, it has to call into question the accuracy of the global warming argument. We're always told that the way we live; the way we drive and our consumption of fossil fuels, is contributing to global warming.

If that's true, why were the majority of record high temperatures set when there were far fewer automobiles on the road, less industry and, all around, less of the bad stuff that global warming fans tell us is causing it all?

I'm just going to point out before moving on that the article he linked was itself published in Science, which is the publication of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and is itself peer-reviewed.

And I'll point out that articles in Science are. That piece is not an article.

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