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A list of those who do not accept the AGW dogma.
There are many (like Al Gore and some on this forum) who have made the assert that the science for man-made global warming is settled and we should act know. I disagree and there are many others who disagree and I shall proved a list at the end of this post.
Those who do not agree with the Algoreans  , are those who accept global warming but do not believe human activity is the cause, it is a natural cycle or naturally occurring; there are those who believe that there is global warming but believe its effects will be positive rather than negative; and there are those who recognize that there has been a warming trend, but do not believe that this can determine future warming or cooling. I am talking about scientists not lay-persons.One thing most of these individuals do agree upon is that any kind of policy like Kyoto or a Kyoto II or those recommended by the most recent IPCC would not stop global warming and would be very damaging to the world economies. Accepting policies like carbon caps or other dragonian restrictions to reduce carbon emissions would put a strangle on world economic development and will be strongly resisted by many nations. Both India and China have said that they will not accept any restriction that slow down their own growth. This is probably wise since the current understanding of the effects of these policies are that they will either not do anything to stop warming trends (if they are occurring) or will only delay the predicted warming of 2100 by 5 to 6 years. When we understand that this is at a cost of trillions for either nothing or a delay of 6 years, we must ask ourselves -- Can't our money and time be put to better use? I say yes. Skeptical Scientists: A. Alan Moghissi, Ph.D. Physical Chemistry, Technical University of Karlsruhe, Germany Aksel Wiin-Nielsen, Professor of Geophysical Science, University of Copenhagen, Denmark Albrecht Glatzle, Ph.D. Agricultural Biology, University of Hohenheim, Germany Alexander Gumen, M.S. Hydrogeology and Engineering Geology, Ph.D. Geology, Moscow Geological Prospecting Academy, Russia Alfred (Al) H. Pekarek, Ph.D. Geology, Associate Professor of Geology, St. Cloud State University, USA Allan M.R. MacRae, B.Sc., M.Eng., P.Eng, Canada Andreas Prokoph, B.Sc. Geology, Ph.D. Earth Sciences, University Tubingen, Germany Anthony R. Lupo, Ph.D. Atmospheric Science, Purdue University, USA Antonino Zichichi, Professor Emeritus of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Italy Arthur B. Robinson, Ph.D. Chemistry, University of California, San Diego, USA Arthur Rorsch, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands Ben Herman, Ph.D. Atmospheric Sciences, University of Arizona, USA Benjamin D. Pearson, B.S. Physics, University of Rochester, USA Bjarne Andresen, Ph. D. Theoretical Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmark Bob Durrenberger, Retired Climatologist, Former President of the American Association of State Climatologists, USA Boris Winterhalter, M.Sc. Ph.D. Geology, Helsinki University, Finland Brian Pratt, Ph.D. Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan, Canada Bruce N. Ames, Ph.D. BioChemistry, California Institute of Technology, USA Bruno Wiskel, B.Sc. Geology, University of Albert, Canada Bryan Leyland, M.Sc. Electrical and Mechanical Engineering, New Zealand Carl Johan Friedrich (Frits) Böttcher, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Physical Chemistry, University of Leiden, The Netherlands Charles Gelman, B.S. Chemistry, M.S. Public Health, University of Michigan, USA Chauncey Starr, Ph.D. Physics, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, USA Chris de Freitas, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Geography and Environmental Science, University of Auckland, New Zealand Christiaan Frans van Sumere, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Biochemistry, University of Gent, Belgium Christoph C. Borel, Ph.D. Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Massachusetts, USA Christopher Essex, Ph.D. Professor of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario, Canada Christopher Landsea, Ph.D. Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University, USA Claude Allegre, Ph.D. Physics, University of Paris, France Cliff Ollier, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Geology, University of Western Australia, Australia Clinton H. Sheehan, Ph.D. Physics, University of Western Ontario, Canada Craig D. Idso, M.S. Agronomy, Ph.D. Geography, Arizona State University, USA Craig Loehle, Ph.D. Mathematical Ecology, Colorado State University, USA Dan Carruthers, M.Sc. Wildlife Biology Consultant, Specializing in Animal Ecology in Arctic and Subarctic Regions, Canada Daniel B. Botkin, Ph.D. Biology, Rutgers University, USA David Deming, B.S. Geology, Ph.D. Geophysics, University of Utah, USA David E. Wojick, B.S. Civil Engineering, Ph.D. Mathematical Logic, University of Pittsburgh, USA David Evans, B.Sc. Applied Mathematics and Physics, M.S. Statistics, Ph.D. Electrical Engineering, Stanford, USA David G. Aubrey, B.S. Geological Sciences, Ph.D. Oceanography, University of California at San Diego, USA David H. Douglass, Ph.D. Physics, MIT, USA David J. Ameling, B.A. Physics, UCLA, USA David J. Bellamy, B.Sc. Botany, Ph.D. Ecology, Durham University, UK David Kear, Ph.D. Geology, New Zealand David L. Hill, Ph.D. Physics, Princeton University, USA David Nowell, M.Sc. Meteorology, Royal Meteorological Society, Canada David R. Legates, Ph.D. Climatology, University of Delaware, USA Dennis P. Lettenmaier, Ph.D. Professor of Hydrology, University of Washington, USA Dick Thoenes, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands Don J. Easterbrook, Ph.D. Geology, University of Washington, USA Don Parkes, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Geography, University of Newcastle, Australia Donald G. Baker, Ph.D. Soils, Geology, University of Minnesota, USA Donn Dears, B.S. Engineering, U.S. Merchant Marine Academy, USA Douglas V. Hoyt, Solar Physicist and Climatologist, Retired, Raytheon, USA Duncan Wingham, Ph.D. Physics, University of Bath, UK Eckhard Grimmel, Ph.D. Geography, University of Hamburg, Germany Edward Wegman, Ph.D. Mathematical Statistics, University of Iowa, USA Eigil Friis-Christensen, Ph.D. Geophysics, University of Copenhagen, Denmark Elliot Abrams, M.S. Meteorology, Penn State, USA Eric S. Posmentier, Adjunct Professor of Earth Sciences, Dartmouth, USA Ernst-Georg Beck, M.Sc. Biology, Merian-Schule, Germany Fred Goldberg, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering, Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden Fred Michel, B.Sc. Geological Sciences, M.Sc., Ph.D. Earth Sciences, University of Waterloo, Canada Fred W. Decker, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, Oregon State University, USA Freeman Dyson, Professor Emeritus of Physics, Princeton University, USA G. Cornelis van Kooten, B.Sc. Geophysics, Ph.D. Agricultural & Resource Economics, Oregon State University, USA Gabriel T. Csanady, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering, University of New South Wales, Australia Garth Paltridge, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus, Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia Gary D. Sharp, Ph.D. Marine Biology, University of California, USA Gary Novak, M.S. Microbiology, USA Geoff L. Austin, Ph.D. Professor of Physics, University of Auckland, New Zealand George E. McVehil, B.A. Physics, M.S. Ph.D. Meteorology, AMS Certified Consulting Meteorologist, USA George H. Taylor, M.S. Meteorology, University of Utah, USA George Kukla, Micropalentologist, Special Research Scientist of Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University, USA George V. Chilingarian, Ph.D. Geology, University of Southern California, USA George Wilhelm Stroke, Ph.D. Physics, University of Paris, France Gerd-Rainer Weber, Ph.D. Consulting Meteorologist, Germany Gerhard Gerlich, Ph.D. Physics, Technical University of Braunschweig, Germany Gerrit J. van der Lingen, Ph.D. Geologist, Paleoclimatologist, New Zealand Glen E. Shaw, Atmospheric Scientist, Professor of Physics, University of Alaska, USA Gordon E. Swaters, Ph.D. Applied Mathematics and Physical Oceanography, University of British Columbia, Canada Gordon J. Fulks, Ph.D. Physics, University of Chicago, USA Graham Smith, Associate Professor of Geography, University of Western Ontario, Canada H. Grant (H.G.) Goodell, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia, USA H. Michael (Mike) Mogil, M.S. Meteorology, Florida State University, USA Hans Erren, B.Sc. Geology and Physics, M.Sc. Geophysics, Utrecht University, The Netherlands Hans Jelbring, Ph.D. Climatology, Stockholm University, Sweden Hans Schreuder, Analytical Chemist, UK Harry N.A. Priem, Professor Emeritus of Isotope and Planetary Geology, Utrecht University, The Netherlands Hartwig Volz, Geophysicist, RWE Research Lab, Germany Hendrik Tennekes, Former Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute, The Netherlands Henrik Svensmark, Director of the Center for Sun-Climate Research, Danish National Space Center, Denmark Henry R. Linden, Ph.D. Chemical Engineering, Illinois Institute of Technology, USA Howard C. Hayden, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Connecticut, USA Hugh W. Ellsaesser, Ph.D. Meteorology, Formerly with Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, USA Ian D. Clark, Ph.D. Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa, Canada Ian R. Plimer, Ph.D. Professor of Geology, University of Adelaide, Australia Indur M. Goklany, Ph.D. Electrical Engineering, Indian Institute of Technology, India J. Scott Armstrong, B.A. Applied Science, B.S. Industrial Engineering, Ph.D. MIT, USA Jack Barrett, Ph.D. Physical Chemistry, Manchester, UK James A. Peden, B.S. Physics and Mathematics, M.S. Experimental Physics, University of Pittsburgh, USA James (Jim) Goodridge, Retired California State Climatologist, USA James J. O’Brien, Ph.D. Meteorology, Texas A&M University, USA James R. Stalker, Ph.D. Atmospheric Science, University of Alabama, USA Ján Veizer, Professor Emeritus of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa, Canada Jay H. Lehr, Ph.D. Groundwater Hydrology, University of Arizona, USA Jasper Kirkby, Particle Physicist at CERN the European Organization for Nuclear Research, Switzerland Jeffrey A. Glassman, Ph.D. Applied Physicist and Engineer, USA Jens Olaf Pepke Pedersen, Senior Scientist, Center for Sun-Climate Research, Danish National Space Center, Denmark Jennifer Marohasy, Ph.D. Biology, University of Queensland, Australia Joel M. Kauffman, Ph.D. Organic Chemistry, MIT, USA Joel Schwartz, B.S. Chemistry, M.S. Planetary Science, California Institute of Technology, USA John Brignell, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus, Department of Electronics & Computer Science, University of Southampton, UK John E. Gaynor, M.S. Meteorology, UCLA, USA John E. Oliphant, B.A. Mathematics and Physics, M.S. Meteorology Penn State, USA John K. Sutherland, Ph.D. Geology, University of Manchester, UK John R. Christy, B.A. Mathematics, M.S. Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Alabama in Huntsville, USA Joseph Conklin, M.S. Meteorology, Rutgers University, USA Joseph D’Aleo, M.S. Meteorology, University of Wisconsin, USA Joseph (Joe) P. Sobel, Ph.D. Meteorology, Penn State, USA Keith D. Hage, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta, Canada Keith E. Idso, Ph.D. Botany, Arizona State University, USA Kelvin Kemm, Ph.D. Nuclear Physics, Natal University, South Africa Ken Gregory, B.A.Sc. Mechanical Engineering, University of British Columbia, Canada Kenneth E.F. Watt, Ph.D. Zoology, University of Chicago, USA Khabibullo Abdusamatov, Ph.D. Astrophysicist, University of Leningrad, Russia Klaus Wyrtki, Ph.D. Oceanography, Physics, Mathematics, University of Kiel, Germany Lance Endersbee, Professor Emeritus of Engineering, Monash University, Australia Lee C. Gerhard, Ph.D. Geology, University of Kansas, USA Lee Raymond, Ph.D. Chemical Engineering, University of Minnesota, USA Len Walker, Ph.D. Soil Mechanics, Cambridge University, Australia Louis Hissink, M.Sc. Geology, Macquarie University, Australia Luboš Motl, Ph.D. Theoretical Physics, Rutgers, USA Madhav Khandekar, B.Sc. Mathematics and Physics, M.Sc. Statistics, Ph.D. Meteorology, Florida State University, USA Martin Livermore, B.S. Chemistry, University of Oxford, UK Manik Talwani, Ph.D. Physics, Columbia University, USA Marcel Leroux, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France Mark P. Mills, B.S. Physics, Queen’s University, Canada Mel Goldstein, Ph.D. Meteorology, NYU, USA Michael Crichton, A.B. Anthropology, M.D. Harvard, USA Michael D. Griffin, B.S. Physics, M.S. Applied Physics, Ph.D. Aerospace Engineering, University of Maryland, USA Michael E Adams, Ph.D. Meteorology, Lyndon State College, USA Michael J. Economides, Ph.D. Professor of Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering, University of Houston, USA Michael J. Oard, B.S., M.S. Atmospheric Science, University of Washington, USA Michael Savage, B.S. Biology, M.S. Anthropology, M.S. Ethnobotany, Ph.D. Nutritional Ethnomedicine, USA Michael R. Fox, Ph.D. Physical Chemistry, University of Washington, USA Michel Salomon, M.D. University of Paris, Director, International Centre for Scientific Ecology, France Nathan Paldor, Ph.D. Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography, Hebrew University, Israel Noah E. Robinson, Ph.D. Chemistry, California Institute of Technology, USA Neil Frank, Ph.D. Meteorology, Florida State University, USA Nigel Marsh, Senior Scientist, Center for Sun-Climate Research, Danish National Space Center, Denmark Nils-Axel Mörner, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Palegeophysics and Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden Nir J. Shaviv, Ph.D. Astrophysicist, Israel Institute of Technology, Israel Norman Brown, Professor Emeritus of Chemistry, University of Ulster, UK Ola M. Johannessen, Professor, Nansen Environmental and Remote Sensing Center, Norway Olavi Kärner, Ph.D. Atmospheric Physics, Leningrad Hydrometeorological Institute, Estonia Oliver W. Frauenfeld, Ph.D. Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia, USA Paavo Siitam, M.Sc. Agronomist, Canada Paul Copper, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Canada Paul Driessen, B.A. Geology and Field Ecology, Lawrence University, USA Paul Reiter, Professor of Medical Entomology, Pasteur Institute, France Patrick Frank, Ph.D. Chemistry, Stanford University, USA Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology, University of Wisconsin-Madison, USA Patrick Moore, B.Sc. Forest Biology, Ph.D. Ecology, University of British Columbia, Greenpeace co-founder, Canada Peter Stilbs, Ph.D. (TeknD) Physical Chemistry, Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Peter W. Huber, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering, MIT, USA Petr Chylek, Ph.D. Physics, University of California, USA Philip K. Chapman, B.S. Physics and Mathematics, M.S. Aeronautics and Astronautics, Ph.D. Instrumentation, MIT, Australia Philip Stott, Professor Emeritus of Biogeography, University of London, UK Piers Corbyn, B.Sc. Physics, M.Sc. Astrophysics, Queen Mary College, UK R.G. Roper, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology, USA R. Timothy (Tim) Patterson, B.Sc. Biology, Ph.D. Professor of Geology, Carleton University, Canada R. W. Gauldie, Ph.D. Research Professor, Hawaii Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawaii, USA Raphael A.J. Wust, M.Sc., Ph.D. Lecturer, School of Earth Sciences, James Cook University, Australia Ralf D. Tscheuschner, Ph.D. Physics, University of Hamburg, Germany Randall Cerveny, Ph.D. Geography, University of Nebraska, USA Reid A. Bryson, B.A. Geology, Ph.D. Meteorology, University of Chicago, USA Richard C. Willson, Ph.D. Atmospheric Sciences, University of California Los Angeles, USA Richard S. Courtney, Ph.D. Geography, The Ohio State University, USA Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT, USA Rob Scagel, M.Sc., Forest Microclimate Specialist, Canada Robert C. Balling Jr., Ph.D. Professor of Climatology, Arizona State University, USA Robert C. Whitten, Physicist, Retired Research Scientist, NASA, USA Robert E. Davis, B.S. Meteorology, Ph.D. Climatology, University of Delaware, USA Robert G. Williscroft, B.Sc. Marine & Atmospheric Physics, M.Sc., Ph.D. Engineering, California Coast University, USA Robert Giegengack, Ph.D. Geology, Yale, USA Too Many list End Part 1
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Re: A list of those who do not accept the AGW dogma.
The list continues:
Robert H. Essenhigh, M.S. Natural Sciences, Ph.D. Chemical Engineering, University of Sheffield, UK Robert L. Kovach, Professor of Geophysics, Stanford University, USA Robert (Bob) M. Carter, B.Sc. Geology, Ph.D. Paleontology, University of Cambridge, Australia Robin Vaughan, Ph.D. Physics, Nottingham University, UK Roger A. Pielke (Sr.), Ph.D. Meteorology, Penn State, USA Roger Bate, M.Sc. Environmental and Resource Management, Ph.D. Economics, University of Cambridge, UK Roy Spencer, Ph.D. Meteorology, Former Senior Scientist for Climate Studies, NASA, USA S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Physics, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia, USA Sallie Baliunas, M.A. Ph.D. Astrophysics, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, USA Sherwood B. Idso, Ph.D. Soil Science, University of Minnesota, USA Simon C. Brassell, B.Sc. Chemistry & Geology, Ph.D. Organic Geochemistry, University of Bristol, UK Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, Ph.D. Department of Geography, University of Hull, UK Steve Milloy, B.A. Natural Sciences, M.S. Health Sciences, Johns Hopkins University, USA Stephen McIntyre, B.Sc. Mathematics, University of Toronto, Canada Stewart W. Franks, Ph.D. Environmental Science, Lancaster University, U.K. Sylvan H. Wittwer, Ph.D. Horticulture, University of Missouri, USA Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Ph.D. Geophysics, University of Alaska, USA Tad S. Murty, Ph.D. Oceanography and Meteorology, University of Chicago, USA Thomas Schmidlin, Ph.D. Professor of Geography, Kent State University, USA Timothy (Tim) F. Ball, Ph.D. Historical Climatologist, University of London, UK Tom Harris, B. Eng. M. Eng. Mechanical Engineering (thermo-fluids), Canada Tom V. Segalstad, B.S. Geology, University of Oslo, Norway Ulrich Berner, Geologist, Federal Institute for Geosciences, Germany Vern Harnapp, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Geography, University of Akron, USA Vincent Gray, Ph.D. Physical Chemistry, Cambridge University, UK Vitaliy Rusov, Ph.D. Physics and Mathematics, Professor of Physics, Odessa Polytechnic University, Ukraine Yuri A. Izrael, D.Sc. Physics and Mathematics, Vice Chairman, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Russia W. Dennis Clark, Ph.D. Botany, Sacramento State College, USA Walter Starck, Ph.D. Marine Science, University of Miami, USA Warren Meyer, B.S. Mechanical Engineering, Princeton University, USA Warwick Hughes, B.S. Geology, Auckland University, Australia Wibjorn Karlen, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden Willem de Lange, Ph.D. Senior Lecturer, Department of Earth and Ocean Sciences, Waikato University, New Zealand William B. Hubbard, Ph.D. Professor of Planetary Atmospheres, University of Arizona, USA William (Bill) Bauman, B.S., Meteorology, M.S., Ph.D. Atmospheric Sciences, North Carolina State University, USA William Cotton, M.S. Atmospheric Science, Ph.D. Meteorology, Pennsylvania State University, USA William E. Reifsnyder, B.S. Meteorology, M.S., Ph.D. Forestry, Yale, USA William J.R. Alexander, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa William M. Briggs, B.S. Meteorology and Math, M.S. Atmospheric Science, Ph.D. Statistics, Cornell University, USA William (Bill) M. Gray, M.S. Meteorology, Ph.D. Geophysical Sciences, University of Chicago, USA Willie Soon, Ph.D. Astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, USA Wm. Robert Johnston, B.A. Astronomy, M.S. Physics, University of Texas, USA Wolfgang Thüne, Ph.D. Geography, University of Wuerzburg, Germany Zachary W. Robinson, B.S. Chemistry, Oregon State University, USA Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D., Ph.D., D.Sc., Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Poland Meteorologists: "Scientists that study the earth's atmosphere, climate, and weather" - Wordsmyth A.J. Colby, B.S. Atmospheric Sciences, AMS Certified, Meteorologist WKYC-TV, USA Andre Bernier, B.S. Meteorology, Lyndon State College, Meteorologist WJW-TV, USA Anthony Watts, AMS Certified, Chief Meteorologist KPAY-AM, USA Arlo Gambell, AMS Certified, Meteorologist, USA Art Horn, B.S. Meteorology, Lyndon State College, Meteorologist WVIT-TV, USA Arthur T. Safford III, Retired Meteorologist USAF, USA Asmunn Moene, former Chief Meteorologist, Oslo, Norway Austin W. Hogan, AMS Certified, Meteorologist, USA Bill Meck, Chief Meteorologist WLEX-TV, USA Bill Steffen, Meteorologist WOOD-TV, USA Bob Breck, B.S. Meteorology & Oceanography, University of Michigan, Chief Meteorologist WVUE-TV, USA Brad Sussman, Meteorologist, USA Brian Sussman, Meteorologist, USA Bruce Boe, Director of Meteorology Weather Modification Inc., USA Bruce Schwoegler, B.S. Meteorology, University of Wisconsin-Madison, USA Christopher Plonka, Meteorologist USAF, USA Craig James, B.S. Meteorology, Penn State University, Chief Meteorologist WOOD-TV, USA Dan Maly, Retired Meteorologist WOIO-TV, USA David Aldrich, B.S. Meteorology, North Carolina State University, Meteorologist WTXF-TV, USA Dick Goddard, Chief Meteorologist WJW-TV, USA Don Webster, Retired Meteorologist WEWS-TV, USA Douglas Leahey, Meteorologist, Canada Eugenio Hackbart, Chief Meteorologist MetSul Meteorologia Weather Center, Brazil Grant Dade, Meteorologist KLTV, USA Herb Stevens, Meteorologist WNYT-TV, USA James Spann, AMS Certified, Chief Meteorologist WCFT-TV, WJSU-TV, USA Jason Russell, Meteorologist, WTEN-TV, USA Jeff Halblaub, B.S. Atmospheric Science, Ohio State University, Meteorologist, USA Jerry Lettre, Senior Meteorologist, WSI, USA Jim Clarke, B.S. Meteorology, St. Louis University, Meteorologist WZVN-TV, USA Joe Bastardi, B.S. Meteorology, Penn State, Expert Senior Forecaster AccuWeather, USA John Coleman, Meteorologist, Founder of 'The Weather Channel', Chief Meteorologist KUSI-TV, USA Jon Loufman, Meteorologist WOIO-TV, USA Joseph E. Luisi, Former Chief Meteorologist Delta Airlines, USA Justin Berk, B.S. Meteorology, Cornell University, AMS Certified, Meteorologist WMAR-TV, USA Karl Bohnak, B.S. Meteorology, University of Wisconsin, AMS Certified, Meteorologist WLUC-TV, USA Kevin Lemanowicz, B.S. Meteorology, Cornell University, Chief Meteorologist WFXT-TV, USA Kevin Williams, B.S. Meteorology, Cornell University, Chief Meteorologist WHEC-TV, USA Keith Eichner, Meteorologist WIVB-TV, USA Lee Eddington, Meteorologist Geophysics Branch, U.S. Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division, USA Mark Koontz, Meteorologist WFMJ-TV, USA Mark Breen, B.S. Meteorology, Lyndon State College, Senior Meteorologist Fairbanks Museum and Planetarium, USA Mark Johnson, AMS Certified, Chief Meteorologist, WEWS-TV, USA Mark Scirto, B.S. Meteorology, University of St. Thomas, AMS Certified, Chief Meteorologist KLTV, USA Morgan Palmer, AMS Certified, Meteorologist KLTV, USA Nick Morganelli, Free-Lance Meteorologist, USA Paul Cousins, B.S. Meteorology and Geophysics, AMS and NWA Certified, Founder AtmosForecast, USA Peter McGurk, Senior Meteorologist, WSI, USA Randy Baker, B.S. Atmospheric Science, University of Kansas, Senior Meteorologist UPS Airlines, USA Randy Mann, AMS Certified, Meteorologist KREM-TV, USA Richard (Rich) Apuzzo, Chief Meteorologist Skyeye Weather, USA Roy Leep, B.S. Meteorology, Florida State University, Meteorologist WTVT-TV, USA Sally Bernier, B.S. Meteorology, Lyndon State College, Meteorologist WJW-TV, USA Shane Hollett, Meteorologist WMJI-FM, USA Steven Nogueira, NWS Senior Meteorologist, USA Terry Eliasen, B.S. Meteorology, University of Massachusetts Lowell, Meteorologist WBZ-TV, USA Thomas B. Gray, M.S. Meteorology, USA Tim Kelley, B.S. Meteorology, Lyndon State College, Meteorologist NECN, USA Tom Chisholm, B.S. Atmospheric Sciences, Lyndon State College, Chief Meteorologist WMTW-TV, USA William Kininmonth, B.Sc., M.Sc., Retired Head of the Australian National Climate Centre, Australia Social Scientists: "The assessment of regional environmental and social impacts is a multidisciplinary task that involves natural and social scientists working in tandem with policy makers." - American Meteorological Society Alan Moran, Ph.D. Economics, Director of the IPA's Deregulation Unit, Australia Alex Robson, Ph.D. Economics, University of California, Irvine, USA Alister McFarquhar, Ph.D. Economics, Downing College, UK Andrei Illarionov, Ph.D. Economics, St. Petersburg University, Russia Benny Peiser, Ph.D. Professor of Social Anthropology, Liverpool John Moores University, UK Bjørn Lomborg, M.A., Ph.D. Political Science, University of Copenhagen, Denmark Daniel K. Benjamin, Ph.D. Economics, University of California at Los Angeles, USA Daniel R. Simmons, B.A. Economics, Utah State University, USA David A. Ridenour, B.A. Political Science, University of Oregon, USA David Almasi, B.A. Political Science, Northwestern University, USA Dennis T. Avery, M.S. Agricultural Economics, University of Wisconsin-Madison, USA Don Aitkin, Ph.D. Political Science, Australian National University, Australia Frank Milne, Ph.D. Professor of Economics, Queen's University, Canada Ian Castles, BCom Commerce, Former Vice President of the Academy of the Social Sciences, Australia James Inhofe, B.A. Economics, University of Tulsa, USA Jerry Taylor, B.A. Political Science, University of Iowa, USA John J. Ray, Ph.D. Psychology, Macquarie University, Mensa, Sydney, Australia John Stossel, B.A. Psychology, Princeton University, USA Julian Morris M.A. Economics, M.Sc. Environment and Resource Economics, M.Phil. Land Economics, Cambridge University, UK Kendra Okonski, B.A. Economics, Hillsdale College, USA Kesten C. Green, Ph.D. Management Science, Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand Marlo Lewis, B.A. Political Science, Ph.D., Claremont McKenna College, USA Margo Thorning, Ph.D. Economics, University of Georgia, USA Myron Ebell, M.Sc. Economics, London School of Economics, USA Nigel Lawson, Baron Lawson of Blaby, B.A. Economics, University of Oxford, UK Randy T. Simmons, Ph.D. Political Science, University of Oregon, USA Richard W. Rahn, Ph.D. Business Economics, Columbia University, USA Robert Bradley, B.A. Economics, Ph.D. Political Economy, University of Houston, USA Robert Higgs, Ph.D. Economics, Johns Hopkins University, USA Roger A. Pielke (Jr.), Ph.D. Political Science, University of Colorado, USA Ross McKitrick, M.A., Ph.D. Economics, University of British Columbia, Canada Roy E. Cordato, M.A. Ph.D. Economics, George Mason University, USA Stephan Wilksch, Dr-Ing Professor of Economic Science, University of Technolgy and Economics Berlin, Germany Terry L. Anderson, Ph.D. Economics, University of Washington, USA Thomas A. Birkland, Ph.D. Political Science, University of Washington, USA Thomas Gale Moore, M.A., Ph.D. Economics, University of Chicago, USA Vaclav Klaus, app. Ph.D. Economics, University of Economics, Prague, Czech Republic William Evans, Ph.D. Professor of Economics, Notre Dame, USA William Nordhaus, Ph.D. Economics, MIT, USA Deceased: "Some of this noise won't stop until some of these scientists are dead" - James Hansen, 2006 Adrian H. Gordon, Meteorologist, University of South Australia, Australia (Died: April 12, 2000) August H. Auer Jr., Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Science, University of Wyoming, USA (Died: June 10, 2007) Duwayne M. Anderson, Professor Emeritus of Geology, Texas A&M University, USA (Died: October 4, 2002) Frederick Seitz, Ph.D. Physics, Princeton University, USA (Died: March 2, 2008) George H. Sutton, Professor Emeritus of Geophysics, University of Hawaii, USA (Died: January 25, 2004) Heinz Lettau, Professor Emeritus of Geophysics, University of Wisconsin, USA (Died: August 4, 2005) Helmut Metzner, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Botany, University of Tubingen, Germany (Died: September 20, 1999) James P. Lodge Jr., Ph.D. Consultant in Atmospheric Chemistry, USA (Died: December 14, 2001) John L. Daly, B.Sc.Econ Economics, Aberystwyth University, UK (Died: January 29, 2004) John R. Apel, Ph.D. Physics, Johns Hopkins University, USA (Died: August 16, 2001) Larry H. Brace, B.S. Physics, University of Michigan, USA (Died: August 28, 2005) Michael J. Higatsberger, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Experimental Physics, University of Vienna, Austria (Died: January 7, 2004) Paul Handler, Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Illinois, USA (Died: January 24, 1998) Robert E. Stevenson, Ph.D. Oceanography, University of Southern California, USA (Died: August 12, 2001) Robert Jastrow, Ph.D. Theoretical Physics, Columbia University, USA (Died: February 8, 2008) Roland (R.A.D.) Byron-Scott, Senior Lecturer Emeritus in Meteorology at Flinders University, Australia (Died: January, 2004) Thomas Gold, Professor Emeritus of Astronomy, Cornell University, USA (Died: June 22, 2004) Tor Ragnar Gerholm, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Stockholm, Sweden (Died: June 27, 2007) William (Bill) A. Nierenberg, Ph.D. Physics, Columbia University, USA (Died: September 10, 2000) William Mitchell, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Oxford, UK (Died: October 30, 2002) Skeptical Scientific Organizations: American Association of Petroleum Geologists, USA (31,000+ Members) American Association of State Climatologists, USA Russian Academy of Sciences, Russia Skeptical Organizations: Abundant Wildlife Society of North America. USA AccuWeather, USA Advancement of Sound Science Center, USA Air Quality Standards Coalition, USA American Council on Science and Health, USA American Enterprise Institute, USA American Land Rights Association, USA American Policy Center, USA Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy, USA Australian APEC Study Centre, Australia Argentinean Foundation for a Scientific Ecology (FAEC), Argentina Arizona State University Office of Cimatology, USA Association of British Drivers, UK Cato Institute, USA Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, USA Center for Science and Public Policy, USA Citizens for the Environment and CFE Action Fund, USA Clean Water Industry Coalition, USA CO2 Science, USA Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, USA Committee for Economic Development, USA Competitive Enterprise Institute, USA Cooler Heads Coalition, USA DCI Group, USA Environmental Conservation Organization (ECO), USA Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies, USA Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment (FREE), USA Fraser Institute, Canada Free Enterprise Education Institute, USA Friends of Science, Canada Frontier Centre for Public Policy (FCPP), Canada Frontiers of Freedom Institute, USA George C. Marshall Institute, USA Global Climate Coalition, USA Greening Earth Society, USA Heartland Institute, USA Heritage Foundation, USA High Park Group, Canada Hoover Institution, USA Hudson Institute, USA Independent Institute, USA Institute for Canadian Values, Canada Institute for Energy Research, USA Institute for Trade, Standards and Sustainable Development, USA Institute of Economic Affairs, UK Institute of Public Affairs, Australia Interfaith Stewardship Alliance, USA International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project, USA International Policy Network, UK Lavoisier Group, Australia Maine Heritage Policy Center, USA Media Research Center, USA National Center for Policy Analysis, USA National Center for Public Policy Research, USA National Motorists Association, USA Natural Resources Stewardship Project, Canada New Hope Environmental Services, USA New Zealand Climate Science Coalition, New Zealand Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, USA Pacific Research Institute, USA Property and Environment Research Center (PERC), USA Reason Foundation, USA Reason Public Policy Institute, USA Science & Environmental Policy Project, USA Science & Public Policy Institute, USA Scientific Alliance, UK Sustainable Development Network, UK Thoreau Institute, USA Tropical Meteorology Project, USA TSAugust, USA Weidenbaum Center on the Economy, Government, and Public Policy, USA Popular Technology.net: NO 'Consensus' on "Man-Made" Global Warming
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Re: A list of those who do not accept the AGW dogma.
Define "AGW dogma," please. And dispense with the rhetoric. Pretend for a moment that you are a believer in that "dogma," and tell us exactly what it is that you are saying the scientists on your list don't agree with.
After you do that I may ask for some documentation, but then again it may not be necessary.
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Re: A list of those who do not accept the AGW dogma.
Just an observation, rather than a commentary on the list or people in it:
I've seen a lot of 9/11 Truthers make posts/points very similar to this one - a long list of names with educational letters next to them in support of the cause. Without any context, I think the reaction of most people not entrenched with a position is going to be "uh, okie dokie" followed by moving onto the next thread. Perhaps you'd be better served by shortening the list (though, admittedly, this reduces the appeal to common practice) and going into more detail about the credentials and accomplishments of some on your list. I'd imagine that they'll probably be impressive, unlike those of the 9/11 Truthers (which, as I recall, included some guy with a degree in gardening or something, along with a raging anti-Semite who lectured around the world on why Israel needed to be wiped off the map)
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1. Those who accept global warming but do not believe human activity is the cause. 2. Global warming is a natural cycle or naturally occurring. 3. Those who believe that there is global warming but believe its effects will be positive rather than negative. 4. Those who recognize that there has been a warming trend, but do not believe that this can determine future warming or cooling. In each of those groups I am talking about scientists not lay-persons. One thing most of these individuals (non-Algoreans) do agree upon is that any kind of policy like Kyoto or a Kyoto II or those recommended by the most recent IPCC would not stop global warming and would be very damaging to the world economies." Still a little confused? How about: AGW = anthropomorphic climate change (i.e. man-made climate change). Along with the AGW tenet of the extremist environmentalist dogma is the belief that humanity can or could fix, stop, or reverse man-made global warming by following certain policies like the Kyoto Accords or a Kyoto like treaty or the IPCC policies that were recommended last year. I hope that clears up any confusion. Regarding documentation, the list above includes the field of study and the universty or college the individual serves. I believe that is more than enough for you to contact any if you wish to. Here is another list of qualified scientists who did not beleive in AGW http://www.heartland.org/pdf/21977.pdf tashi deleks, M tashi deleks, M
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The document purports to be a list of scientists who don't believe in AGW, but on inspection, it is a list of peer reviewed papers on ancient climate cycles. Just because someone shows that the climate changed in the past, doesn't mean that they do not believe that the current warming is unrelated to the activities of man. I'd be willing to wager from the titles of these papers that most of them don't even mention the current warming, let alone take a stand on the issue.
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OK, we are getting somewhere, but still not tied down tight. What do you mean by "do not believe human activity is the cause"? Do you mean that they do not believe it is a cause at all? That they do not believe it is the main and most important cause? Or simply that they do not believe it is the only cause? If you mean the last, you are likely to find a lot of scientists at the IPCC who agree with this statement, and your list is neither controversial nor meaningful, since that in no way contradicts the idea that AGW is of concern. If you mean the middle one, then another question arises: Do you mean that they are certain that human activity is NOT the most important cause? Or merely that they are not certain human activity IS the most important cause? Again, this does not necessarily contradict the idea that AGW is of concern. If you mean the first, then your assertion that all of these scientists believe human activity is not contributing to global warming at all is extremely dubious and requires some pretty ironclad proof not to be dismissed with a loud raspberry. Please clarify. About the second, what do you mean by "will be positive rather than negative"? Do you mean that these people are predicting that in fact global warming WILL be positive, or do you simply mean that they have considered the possibility and mused on the idea in public? So you see, you did not make it clear. Please do so, and then we will go from there.
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Hello TSG,
I wrote: 1. Those who accept global warming but do not believe human activity is the cause. 3. Those who believe that there is global warming but believe its effects will be positive rather than negative. While the others are equally relevant to our discussion I shall only deal with the ones you seem to be confused about. While I have already posted a link Wikipropaganda On Global Warming, National Review: Wikipedia Is A Stunning Example Of How The Propaganda Machine Works - CBS News about using wiki for a source on anything global warming they do have a convenient page about scientists who do not agree with the assertions of the IPCC or Al Gore. List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quote:
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Another example is the one I already proved above: http://www.heartland.org/pdf/21977.pdf These scientists believe that the warming we saw during to past decade (warming stopped in 1998 and since 2007/2008 the trend has been one of cooling) is due to a natural 1,500 year cycle. Quote:
They also believe, since what warming that has occurred has happened during the winter and at night, this will minimize the number of winter deaths which have always been higher than the number of summer deaths due to heat, even when there are extreme heat waves like those seen in France a few years back. An example of warming that had benefited human development is the Medieval Warming Period. To say the least, these scientists do not buy into the extreme weather projections (based on flawed climate models) of alarmists -- none of which has been seen in the real world. I have more, but this is all the time I have right now. I have to get ready for work. Catch you later. I hope this clears up your confusion. tashi deleks, M
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Often an individual, who studies economics for example, will have a better understanding of the human effects of the policy recommendations of environmental extremists. They will be better trained and more informed to clearly and effectively run cost/benefit analysis on such policies than your average climate scientists. thank you and tashi deleks, M
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Re: A list of those who do not accept the AGW dogma.
Well, that's a good start. A "probably" in your opinion means little.
Hell, let's start at A. A. Alan Moghissi, Ph.D. Physical Chemistry, Technical University of Karlsruhe, Germany Physical chemistry does not provide the expertise necessary to understand the complexities of AGW. Alexander Gumen, M.S. Hydrogeology and Engineering Geology, Ph.D. Geology, Moscow Geological Prospecting Academy, Russia Alexander, here, knows about water in the ground. He does not have expertise in the complexity of the atmosphere and its interaction with solar radiation. etc etc etc
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You mean a person with a Ph.D. in Physical Chemistry would not understand how CO2 acts upon plant life (it requires it) and how CO2 interacts within the environment. Okay  . What about someone who was "a charter member of the EPA; a research scientist; a science administrator; an editor; and a manager who had to comply with environmental regulations?" http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/inforeg/2003iq/7.pdf He has been an active promoter of BAS (Best Available Science) and the requirement of independent peer review for determining the most accurate information available for basing any policy. He states in his testimony at the hearings on H.R. 2138 - Elevating the Environmental Protection Agency to Department of Environmental Protection (linked above, his testimony begins on page 8), "When EPA was formed, we were most enthusiastic about the prospect of having one agency handling all environmental issues. Although I am proud of our achievements, I am not so proud that opportunities were lost to enhance the quality of the environment. I am even less proud that significant funds were spent on activities that had a relatively small impact on the quality of the environment, while true environmental issues were either insufficiently addressed, addressed late, or not at all. It is true that the EPA was asked to perform a nearly impossible task of promulgating regulations when the necessary data were insufficient or lacking. However, EPA has made numerous decisions that are based on less than Best Available Science regardless of the availability of scientific information. This accusation is made not only by those who had to live with the often stringent regulations, but also by a rather large number of independent reviews and studies performed by various scholarly organizations." I believe his credentials and his expertise are probably more than adequate for understanding and addressing the complexity of AGW theory and the effects of policy recommendations like those of the IPCC. Also considering the fiasco of Michael Mann's research and the "hockey stick graph" and the machinations that led to its inclusion in the IPCC's report in 2001 (Mann was in charge of the section of the report it was used) I think we would all want to insure and require the availability of accurate scientific information to base our policies upon. Quote:
Engineering geology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia According to wiki: "Engineering Geology is the application of the geologic sciences to engineering practice for the purpose of assuring that the geologic factors affecting the location, design, construction, operation and maintenance of engineering works are recognized and adequately provided for. Engineering geologists investigate and provide geologic and geotechnical recommendations, analysis, and design. Engineering geologic studies may be performed during the planning, environmental impact analysis, civil engineering design, value engineering and construction phases of public and private works projects, and during post-construction and forensic phases of projects. Works completed by engineering geologists include; geologic hazards, geotechnical, material properties, landslide and slope stability, erosion, flooding, dewatering, and seismic investigations, etc. Engineering geologic studies are performed by a geologist or engineering geologist educated, professionally trained and skilled at the recognition and analysis of geologic hazards and adverse geologic conditions. Their overall objective is the protection of life and property against damage and the solution of geologic problems." I believe someone who is a professor of a complex interdisciplinary subject like hydrogeology and engineering geology which among other things is regularly call upon to perform environmental impact studies has enough training to evaluate the theory of AGW. Quote:
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Re: A list of those who do not accept the AGW dogma.
And I disagree.
You're grasping at straws. Fuck, I've got a Master's Degree that requires interdisciplinary thinking. Does that make me qualified to pass judgment on the theory?
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