I kid you not

you cant make this shit up...

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"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

You can find all kinds of references to Annex 1 countries transferring "unprecedented" amounts of wealth and technology to developing countries in the UN's GDR and CDM schemes. I've been reading and researching from the various UN websites on this issue. It's all there in black and white: massive redistributions of wealth and technology, global environmental governance, bringing the backwards people of the third world into a modern world, etc.

If I had to come up with a name for what's going on under the threat of AGW, 'global socialism' would be it.

Kramer

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TheNation, June 7, 2007

well if memory serves me correctly china is the worst polluter on earth so it might be a good idea to help them deal with a problem they so obviously are having trouble with.

but oh wait the chinese are our enemies and we hate them because they have a different economic system from us. nm.

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I have no problem helping them, but I think in our current economic situation we should not be funding it.

Technical assistance is one thing, but we can't really afford to be giving China (or anyone else for that matter) a handout.

Matt

I think the primary matter is that they don't need the money.

And its not a question of them having trouble, its more like they don't give a shit.

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Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

Doesn't matter. We used up too much of the available carbon budget. To atone for it, we must send huge sums of wealth and green technology and green energy technology to developing countries, while reducing our economy.

I haven't read the Waxman-Markey bill but I did do a quick search of it for the word 'international.' It resulted in over 100 results. It's not to much of a stretch to assume that some of our higher energy taxes will be sent to foreign countries if it passes.

Too bad most democrats don't realize that many of our US democrats are working to reduce the plight of the world's poor at our expense. Luckily for them, they have the MSM on their side.

Kramer

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“We should never be more vigilant than at the moment a new dogma is being installed. … The left has been swept along, entranced by the allure of weather as revolutionary agent, naïvely conceiving of global warming as a crisis that will force radical social changes on capitalism.”

TheNation, June 7, 2007

Greetings and Felicitations,

I have no problem with sharing technology with them. We have more experience dealing with pollutants than any other industrialized country.

When it comes to money. How much of our economy are they supporting? How much money do we owe them?

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

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Agree of course in helping them technology wise, I can't think of a reason why not.
As far as the money - hell it is probably their money they loaned us in the first place...so it is kinda like we are just giving it back with benefits.

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The government cannot give without first taking.

Yeah but I think the real reason we are sharing technology with them is to have more job offshoring sites so that more of our (and other developed country) jobs can be shipped out of the US and into these new job markets. And to top it off, we could be paying for the green technology transfers under higher energy taxes. Personally, I think this is insane given our current state of economic affairs.

Kramer

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“We should never be more vigilant than at the moment a new dogma is being installed. … The left has been swept along, entranced by the allure of weather as revolutionary agent, naïvely conceiving of global warming as a crisis that will force radical social changes on capitalism.”

TheNation, June 7, 2007

as was begun with Kyoto and continues, all this carbon bullshit is just international wealth redistribution. there is no intention to reduce "greenhouse gases". Because everyone know that they are meaningless.

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

That's what I don't understand. They are loaning us money so we can give it to them

And this is a bad thign? It would certianly help bring world peace, reduce conflict, improve the standing of america in the world stage. Overall a very good thing that the united states needs to participate more strongly in.

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Yes, it is a bad thing as none of that will come about.

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

Oh I think it's a good thing to help developing nations improve themselves although I don't think I should be forced to pay if I don't want to nor should I have to pay via energy taxes if I don't want to.

My issue is tying poverty reduction with AGW. Why not just say that they need up to 330 Billion/year from the US to help developing countries? I want them to also say that since the world can't sustain everybody making the pay Americans do and the consuming that goes along with it, the people in developed nations are going to have a much lower standard of living with under the goal of "convergence of incomes between developing and developed countries."

Just tell us the truth, don't snow and try to scare us with dire catastrophic consequences in order to get the financial transfers needed.

Kramer

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“We should never be more vigilant than at the moment a new dogma is being installed. … The left has been swept along, entranced by the allure of weather as revolutionary agent, naïvely conceiving of global warming as a crisis that will force radical social changes on capitalism.”

TheNation, June 7, 2007

True thanks to the ignorance, greed and selifishness of the capitalists and the right wingers the good thigns that need to be done to help reverse the climate change that has already occured and prevent further climate change will be interfered with.

Well considering how there are many in the united states who are already living as Wageslaves and in third world poverty levels I see no problem with taking from the rich to even the playing field. The wealthy have too much they can afford to share a bit. Especially since the battle for resources is the number one cause of all conflicts worldwide and the more bigger countries gluttonously pig out on resources at the expense of the rest of the world the more there will be conflict. Not to mention the worse climate change will get to swing the weather worse and worse out of control.

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“If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of
a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.”

– George W. Bush in Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2000