It a biological and cultural fact.

Ancient DNA Mutations Permitted Humans to Adapt to Colder Climates, UCI Researchers Find : News

And really, its easy to build a fire to escape the cold, rather than construct an air conditioner and electric distribution network to power it.

How else would you explain the human ability to persist through ice ages for the last 3 million years? We can and have adapted to extreme cold. We have never adapted to extreme heat.

The other crucial point to make here is that a naturally occurring ice age is a slow process, allowing current human settlements to adapt as the ice would make its slow advance from the pole.

An runaway greenhouse on the other hand would be rapid.

Andrew

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It's a rather silly argument you keep engaging in. Greenland, the Yukon and Siberia should be the most populous areas on the globe, not to mention Antarctica, if you think we're well adapted to an Ice Age. It's just plain silly. If the Ukraine, Siberia, all of Canada, much of the Mid-West all were covered with a quarter mile of ice, do you really believe we could produce enough food to feed the world's population?

The Little Ice Age reduced Europe's population before the Black Death decimated it's weakened population. The Vikings became extinct in North America because of it.

Humans can adapt to cold weather, but not in the same numbers we see today. The Himalayans and Eskimos show you the kind of populations an Ice Age can support.

OTOH, having summer highs go up from the 90's to the 100's has little or no effect on crops or human populations. The amount of food decides the carrying capacity of any population. And food would become scarce and expensive.

I am not suggesting that extreme cold is not a challenge. The fact of the matter is is that we have adapted to and persisted through extreme cold. That is undeniable. Yes, it is a challenge for sure. And the population would certainly have to drop.

Now, can you please point out to me where in human history we have persisted through prolonged periods of extreme heat?

Just look at what happened in the european 2003 heat wave. ~38 000 people died in one summer.

2003 European heat wave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Can you point to where a cold snap has killed that many people in so short a time in one region of the globe?

Andrew

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RAWA.org: Bitter winter kills more than a thousand children in Ghor provinceRAWA.org: Bitter winter kills more than a thousand children in Ghor province

Kiev Ukraine News Blog: Bitter Cold Kills 181 In Ukraine

The Heat Is Online

Discovery Channel :: News - Earth :: Cold Spell Kills Scores, Wrecks Crops

Those are just the ones in the last few years. I assume you know the Little Ice Age starved at least 10th of Europe's population. I also assume you've heard of Hitler's ill fated adventure into Russian, and Napoleon's as well, where perhaps 100,000 froze to death.

The attrition rate of an army is hardly the same as a settled population.

I'm not disputing that extreme cold can kill. You do seem to be disputing that extreme heat can. Its quite bizarre. As a biological organism the fact remains that we are better suited to dealing with extreme cold than we are with extreme heat. Heat is very very difficult to escape, cold is less so.

I'm also not suggesting that human industrial civilization could survive either.

Andrew

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I'm suggesting it's ludicrous to believe that anything and everything the Global Alarmists are supposing, even if true, would have far less impact on human beings than another deep Ice Age.

The major difference you seem to be ignoring is that an ice age would settle in over centuries. We would have time to prepare, adapt, etc..

We won't have that luxury with AGW.

Andrew

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speak for yourself Andy... I freakin HATE the cold.

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Who doesn't. But seriously, i sleep awesome in the cold. When its too hot i can't sleep at all.

Andrew

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I cannot deny that chilly makes for good sleepin' but if you (and I pray to God that you never do) develop arthritis or the like, you will grow to appreciate the warm. I ow understand why my dad woudl have been more than happy to more to the islands were the health care reliable.

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"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

SWAG Theory.

Obviously you dispute this, but it certainly is not even remotely based on guess work. Major ice ages are very slow processes, and the warming already recorded, as well its consequences, has been rapid.

And really, the best attempt at 'science' you have contributed to this thread is a weird nonsensical idea by a conspiracy theorist.

Andrew

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Is the same guy that claims he has a PhD in climatology when he doesn't have one? Is he the same man that claims that the climate change theory is based entirely on computer models? Sorry, but I have a little problem taking his word for it based on that. I'll stick with the data on hand.

This guy works like typical deniers. Ignore mountains of data. Concentrate on one detail in one study. Try to find a flaw in it. Extrapolate that this means that the entire theory is false. That's really lazy and really not critically thinking on the subject.

I read the article you provided. There are several errors in it. We can speak about them at length if you'd like (i.e. his stance on stomata data shows a complete ignorance of what it means or what stomata do in plants). If you honestly think that temperature data is the only evidence supporting the theory, you have a hell of a lot more to read on the subject. I would start with isotope data if you really wanted to educate yourself on the current research.

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We know of him well in Alberta where his foundation 'friends of science' (an Orwellian name if i ever heard one) has admitted they take funding from oil companies operating in the oil sands.

Andrew

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-- Derrick Jensen

This should put the Global Warming alarmists to rest.



"There has historically been much more CO2 in our atmosphere than exists today. For example, during the Jurassic Period (200 mya), average CO2 concentrations were about 1800 ppm or about 4.7 times higher than today. The highest concentrations of CO2 during all of the Paleozoic Era occurred during the Cambrian Period, nearly 7000 ppm -- about 18 times higher than today.

The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming."


Climate during the Carboniferous Period

Any questions?

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