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Andrewl · #46 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by fishjoel

Nah, man. I'm actually pretty environmentally conscious. I do think we effect the world but I don't think it's what you and the others on the left try and make it out to be. I think we have a much greater effect on our own health than the health of the Earth. There are tons of medical problems caused by pollution and other practices. We do cloth diapers at my house and recycle, along with a few other things.

I just see environmentalism as being perverted by political causes to push certain agendas that have nothing to do with environmentalism.

I agree to a certain point. One thing to be aware of though when speaking of agendas is that this works both ways. For example, the latest IPCC report has been shown to be very conservative in its forecasts, and this was the result of oil producing nations wanting to downplay the actual danger from AGW.

Andrew

Andrewl · #47 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by fishjoel

Nah man, it's all good. If there's a duce in there you shake it out into the toilet or scrape it off, if it's not solid. Then it's basically like putting underwear in there that has some massive streaks in it. After that you have soap that cleans it up. Think about this...if the clothies would foul up the washer so would just washing your normal funky/dirty clothes, eventually.

Estimates for diapering a child, until they are potty trained, usually land you around $3k. If you exclusively cloth diaper you can pull it off for around $500. Additionally, there is actually a market for selling used cloth diapers so you can even recover up to as high as half of that. Cloth diapers are very advanced, these days and are not the fold and pin things of the past.

Then you have the additional advantage of not putting thousands of chemical filled disposable diapers in the ground.

We use cloth as well with our second child. The other benefit is that she is becoming potty trained way faster than the first child who was on disposables. Also less diaper rash, and less stink as well.

In our experience cloth is far superior to disposables in almost all situations. The only thime cloth is not good is for road trips and such... but that is always just the exception, not the rule.

Andrew

daddio · #48 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

looks like Gordo's appeal was unsuccessful

not sure if they are taking a backhanded swipe at the administration for Congress' failure or just at COngress. in any event, they're expecting less form their confab.

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UN signals delay in climate change treaty
By EDITH M. LEDERER (AP) – 3 hours ago

UNITED NATIONS — Just weeks before an international conference on climate change, the United Nations signaled it was scaling back expectations of reaching agreement on a new treaty to slow global warming.

Janos Pasztor, director of the secretary-general's Climate Change Support Team, said Monday "it's hard to say how far the conference will be able to go" because the U.S. Congress has not agreed on a climate bill, and industrialized nations have not agreed on targets to reduce their carbon dioxide emissions or funding to help developing countries limit their discharges.

Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has made a new climate treaty his top priority, hosting a Sept. 22 summit on climate change to spur political support and traveling extensively to build political momentum for a global agreement to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol which only requires 37 industrialized nations to cut emissions.

Pasztor told a news conference "there is tremendous activity by governments in capitals and internationally to shape the outcome" of the climate change conference in Copenhagen, Denmark, in early December, which "is a good development" because political leadership is essential to make a deal.

But he indicated that Copenhagen most likely won't produce a treaty, but instead will push governments as far as they can go on the content of an agreement.

ViPER · #49 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by fishjoel

I could have sworn asteroids where natural...

Anyways, it was a much more dramatic change, than what's occurring now, and life still was able to adapt and overcome. Why wouldn't life be able to do the same thing with a less extreme change in the climate if it has already accomplished this task in a much worse scenario?

In the scheme of things concerning climate change. Asteroids and industrialized society are looking to be very similar.

Swoop187 · #50 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

Give us all your money or we will all die.

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