So you are opposed to big oil.

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The bush administration and bank lobbyists proudly killing our economic system - 2003.

The reasons those other economies aren't improving is due to things like their political systems (or lack thereof) and their education levels. We aren't holding them back.

Kramer

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“We should never be more vigilant than at the moment a new dogma is being installed. … The left has been swept along, entranced by the allure of weather as revolutionary agent, naïvely conceiving of global warming as a crisis that will force radical social changes on capitalism.”

TheNation, June 7, 2007

So america has never supported the policies of the world bank or the IMF?

Andrew

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“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”

-- Derrick Jensen

Do you remember the graphs of temperature and CO2 from the ice core data (see below picture)?



What did this graph show to you?

Kramer

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“We should never be more vigilant than at the moment a new dogma is being installed. … The left has been swept along, entranced by the allure of weather as revolutionary agent, naïvely conceiving of global warming as a crisis that will force radical social changes on capitalism.”

TheNation, June 7, 2007

What has this got to do with environmentalists using AGW as a means to equalize everybody's incomes and the GDPs of all nations?

Kramer

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“We should never be more vigilant than at the moment a new dogma is being installed. … The left has been swept along, entranced by the allure of weather as revolutionary agent, naïvely conceiving of global warming as a crisis that will force radical social changes on capitalism.”

TheNation, June 7, 2007

Still trying to push that denialist argument eh?

Andrew

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“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”

-- Derrick Jensen

I don't find Cap & Trade a desirable policy in any way, but i certainly don't think its a conspiracy either.

Andrew

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“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”

-- Derrick Jensen

It really doesn't matter what AG said in his movie, It didn't change my understanding that man is involved in the GW cycle and man needs to be involved in a solution.

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The bush administration and bank lobbyists proudly killing our economic system - 2003.

Hey, I didn't make those words up. I think it's clear what they mean, if you want to call it a conspiracy, fine.

Kramer

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“We should never be more vigilant than at the moment a new dogma is being installed. … The left has been swept along, entranced by the allure of weather as revolutionary agent, naïvely conceiving of global warming as a crisis that will force radical social changes on capitalism.”

TheNation, June 7, 2007

Well what in that movie "strengthened" your "determination that we have a problem and we need to act?"

Kramer

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“We should never be more vigilant than at the moment a new dogma is being installed. … The left has been swept along, entranced by the allure of weather as revolutionary agent, naïvely conceiving of global warming as a crisis that will force radical social changes on capitalism.”

TheNation, June 7, 2007

One other comment. I like the idea of us finding a different way to generate our energy for the reason that someday we'll need another energy source due to the finite amount of oil in the world.

If it was up to me, we'd continue using oil and coal and drill for more oil while at the same time spending huge (within reason) sums of money on alternate energy sources that will give us cheap, plentiful energy with little pollution (excluding CO2 because it's plant and tree food).

I don't know why we have to have a cap-and-trade or some other redistributive CO2 scheme to do this.

Kramer

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“We should never be more vigilant than at the moment a new dogma is being installed. … The left has been swept along, entranced by the allure of weather as revolutionary agent, naïvely conceiving of global warming as a crisis that will force radical social changes on capitalism.”

TheNation, June 7, 2007

sounds suspiciously like what GUnga Dan had to say about his manufactured memo from his discredited TANG story....

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Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

At the time I felt at odds in a society where the majority was hinged on a belief system perpetrated by big oil types that GW is a myth. I see reason in the science and I see through the smoke screen of politics (of the bush admin gw cover up).

The movie opened up a new and needed discussion, that's all.

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The bush administration and bank lobbyists proudly killing our economic system - 2003.

Yeah but don't you believe that every climate scientist on the planet invented AGW as a socialist device to "redistribute the wealth"...

Andrew

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“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”

-- Derrick Jensen

So you don't believe that CO2, besides being a plant food, is also a GHG?

Andrew

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“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”

-- Derrick Jensen