US president Obama unveiled a plan to cut US greenhouse emission by about 17 % until 2020 ( and it is far from clear that he will get this approved in congress), much less than Europe and the United Nations had been hoping and calling for ahead of the upcoming climate summit in Copenhagen/ Denmark :


Obama offers carbon cuts ahead of Copenhagen summit | France 24

well, good. I hope nothing passes here and I doubt it will.

Without China and India for insatcne on board this is a non starter.

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Yep, Cap n' Tax would likely plunge this country into a full blown depression. But that's really the plan, right? Wreck the country, and then rebuild the new socialist utopia from the ashes?

What would B.O. be doing differently if that weren't the plan?

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China promised to cut co² emissions by 40% in 2020, but in relation to their GDP... In theory a cut, in practise emissions will keep growing...
After all, their emissions per capita remain rather low.

Anyway, I'm glad BHO comes to Copenhagen and has set up a goal. That's a good start.

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All in all, given the political situation in America I'm somewhat ok with this target. I just hope that the relatively low ambition of America doesn't lower Europe's ambition. The world needs good examples. I'm quite happy with China's ambitions.

which are to cut nothing just emit proportionally less in the future, a bold move for china.

Its a start at least, but theres a long way to go before we really start to tackle climate change...

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I'm about as interested in Europes disappointment with President Obama as they are with my disappointment with Europe. But, on the bright side, President Obama will probably make them feel better by apologizing for our invasion of Europe in WWII.

Why would Obama care what Europeans think.

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You needn't worry. Europe isn't going to meet any of their goals either. Everyone's carbon emmissions will increase which is meaningless because AGW is a myth anyway.

given that he doesnt care what Americans think, I can't imagine

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"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

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I'm sure he does care what Americans think seeing as I'm sure he'd quite like to be elected again.

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"Tell the House of Lords to go to hell." - Dennis Skinner.

nah, he's already said he's ok being a one term-er.

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

The unmasked rape of the American economy will have to wait for the Dems lame duck session this time next year.

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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."
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Which are to emit proportionally a lot less. I don't blame them wanting the same wealth that the western world has.