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Vice President
At least that is what this woman seems to think; a one child policy world wide. Good luck with that lady.
The real inconvenient truth
The "inconvenient truth" overhanging the UN's Copenhagen conference is not that the climate is warming or cooling, but that humans are overpopulating the world.
A planetary law, such as China's one-child policy, is the only way to reverse the disastrous global birthrate currently, which is one million births every four days.
The world's other species, vegetation, resources, oceans, arable land, water supplies and atmosphere are being destroyed and pushed out of existence as a result of humanity's soaring reproduction rate.
Ironically, China, despite its dirty coal plants, is the world's leader in terms of fashioning policy to combat environmental degradation, thanks to its one-child-only edict.
The intelligence behind this is the following:
-If only one child per female was born as of now, the world's population would drop from its current 6.5 billion to 5.5 billion by 2050, according to a study done for scientific academy Vienna Institute of Demography.
-By 2075, there would be 3.43 billion humans on the planet. This would have immediate positive effects on the world's forests, other species, the oceans, atmospheric quality and living standards.
-Doing nothing, by contrast, will result in an unsustainable population of nine billion by 2050.
Humans are the only rational animals but have yet to prove it. Medical and other scientific advances have benefited by delivering lower infant mortality rates as well as longevity. Both are welcome, but humankind has not yet recalibrated its behavior to account for the fact that the world can only accommodate so many people, especially if billions get indoor plumbing and cars.
The fix is simple. It's dramatic. And yet the world's leaders don't even have this on their agenda in Copenhagen. Instead there will be photo ops, posturing, optics, blah-blah-blah about climate science and climate fraud, announcements of giant wind farms, then cap-and-trade subsidies.
None will work unless a China one-child policy is imposed. Unfortunately, there are powerful opponents. Leaders of the world's big fundamentalist religions preach in favor of procreation and fiercely oppose birth control. And most political leaders in emerging economies perpetuate a disastrous Catch-22: Many children (i. e. sons) stave off hardship in the absence of a social safety net or economic development, which, in turn, prevents protections or development.
China has proven that birth restriction is smart policy. Its middle class grows, all its citizens have housing, health care, education and food, and the one out of five human beings who live there are not overpopulating the planet.
For those who balk at the notion that governments should control family sizes, just wait until the growing human population turns twice as much pastureland into desert as is now the case, or when the Amazon is gone, the elephants disappear for good and wars erupt over water, scarce resources and spatial needs.
The point is that Copenhagen's talking points are beside the point.
The only fix is if all countries drastically reduce their populations, clean up their messes and impose mandatory conservation measures.
"The spirit must be the firmer, the heart the bolder,
courage must be the greater as our might fails"
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This is the same China that accounts for nearly 20% of the world's population, right?
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Vice President
Yep. Maybe we should just nuke China.Originally Posted by Speakeasy
"The spirit must be the firmer, the heart the bolder,
courage must be the greater as our might fails"
President
Well, I think it's stupid. That's not the proper way to combat population growth. Though the quiver-full morons don't help. What is key is to stop having babies so young. We need to spread out the generations a lot.
First they came for the mimes, and I did not speak out, because I was a mime.
Proud Virginian Administrator!
That would be a lot easier and less politically dangerous than implementing a one child policy, that's for sure.
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I'm in... and not very busy this time of year so yeah let's do it.
BTW: if we sell the TV rights PPV this thing could break even...
Secretary of State
Or... We could simply implement better ways of dealing with the effect our population has on the environment. Maybe use environmentally friendly power sources? Use trash as a power source rather than making it into hazardous waste? Crazy ideas like that.The only fix is if all countries drastically reduce their populations, clean up their messes and impose mandatory conservation measures.
All good socialists have villas in Southern France. That's not the point.
-Eurosocialist
Vice President
China allows more than 1 child, you just have to pay extra fees and taxes for it (on the order of $10,000). I don't think twins count against you either.
If China's policy continues long enough, natural selection will favor twins. I'm not personally particularly into asian girls, but just imagine all of the hot asian twins for those guys who are.
Vice President
People traditionally have a sizable number of children so there is a surviving child who is willing and capable of taking care of their parents in old age. The trend is more pronounced in less developed nations as those states generally lack any sort of reliable system to help it's elderly citizens.
President
The only way to realistically tackle population is to cap food production based on the natural carrying capacity of land as determined by renewable agricultural practices. (i.e., no fossil fuel based fertilizers or pesticides or farm equipment).
Andrew
“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”
-- Derrick Jensen
Vice President
But we still have the right to choose right?
:rolleyes:
Vice President
How would the excess population be culled?
President
It would not have to be. Over time populations would level out to the natural carrying capacity.
There would still be tough choices to make - but the alternative is billions of starving people mad as hell and desperate for food. Willing to do anything to get it.
Andrew
“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”
-- Derrick Jensen
Vice President
Through starvation which would lead to ... billions of starving people mad as hell and desperate for food. Willing to do anything to get it.
u can joke about the truth but there is nothing u can do...but China can and did.
China took the ultimate sacrifice so that future generations can have a better life...for Chinese as well as non Chinese.
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