this is either sad or hilarious

seems the question now is how and if scientists can measure for any success the confrence may approve.

and you'll love "why"...



They don't trust the data !

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"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

Not if the data is coming from the emitting industries, that's for sure.

Andrew

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Andy, its the same monitoring devices that are in place today and for years past. The same ones being relied upon to demonstate greenhouse gasses today and for years past.

And the same ones that have been in use to monitor for Kyoto.

Do you not see the irony ?

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

I think you must have misread the article you referenced. The problem was with industry estimates, once they were actually monitored the emissions of nitrogen trifluoride, for instance, turned out to be four times higher than what industry estimated them to be.

The devices are fine, its just a matter of trusting governments and industry to report accurately. I.e., an impartial process of measuring emissions needs to be deployed.

Andrew

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“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”

-- Derrick Jensen

No, he doesn't.

Corporations = evil
Government = good

That he has it 180 degrees backwards is lost on him.

Actually, there is no real difference any more between corporations and governments and i despise both.

Andrew

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“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”

-- Derrick Jensen

There's a world of difference, corporations have to produce a good or service and attract customers to get most of their funds, the government holds us up at gunpoint to raise it's funds.

Gotta love China keep moving the goal posts to their advantage as they are also ramping up their brand of economic colonialism in the developing world.

I wonder if China would also profit from international funds building up the energy production capacity of developing nations in Africa?

right understanding gives right strategy
right strategy every thing appears so easy

wrong strategy , every thing produces opposite of what is intended.
wrong strategy, the whole world seems to be against you.

dadio...which part is sad and which part is hilarious?

I will tell u which part is both sad and hilarious......

it is reporters like this one and stupid ones who agree with this reporter that is both sad and hilarious.

sad...because he misses the point.
sad...because reporters like this can more interested in selling himself than in solving problems
hilarious...because Americans think he is a good reporter.

If the whole world only read China Daily and the People's Daily and nothing else....this global warming thing and this CO2 thing will be solved.........

it is solved. its a scam to transfer wealth. we dont need the ministry of propaganda to tell us that.

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

The ministry of truth used to be so much better at writing copy in the good old days.

sure was , so much more uplifting and inspirational

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Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

a good article from the Ministry of Truth.

Realism in Copenhagen
(China Daily)
Updated: 2009-12-11 07:53
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Accusations have become a stark feature at most global talks nowadays, and the ongoing UN climate change conference in Copenhagen does not look like being an exception.

But every participant must understand that there is no easy way out of the existing climate, which entails immediate and adequate global action. Unfortunately, such a shared knowledge of the urgency to act does not guarantee that the international community will be able to strike a meaningful climate deal in the Danish capital.

Unrealistic demands raised by some negotiators could still cost mankind a rare, if not the last chance to save the planet from the disastrous consequences of global warming.

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A case in point is the leak of the Danish draft for the Copenhagen climate conference that has created an uproar in the developing world for demanding less from rich countries while setting unfair limits on poor nations. Even though Denmark has said the draft was not an official document, it is simply unbelievable that it was prepared in the first place, for it is not in line with the "common but differentiated responsibilities" under the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change.
By insisting on such impractical negotiation stances, a few rich countries could effectively torpedo all the efforts the international community has made so far to translate political will into concrete action to fight climate change.



An equally disturbing case was US negotiators attempt to use financial aid as a bargaining chip even before they could come up with any credible offer other than one that is just like a drop in the ocean compared with what it should be obliged to do according to its historical responsibility.

Of course, not only rich countries are unrealistic about the climate change conference.

While the international community has lowered expectations -of agreeing only on a political framework for a treaty next year to succeed the Kyoto Protocol - some island countries are pressing it to go beyond a political deal and negotiate a new protocol with the same legal standing as Kyoto.

Given that such island nations are threatened by rising sea levels, a visible consequence of global warming, their demand is understandable. But it could place an unnecessary burden on some developing countries by imposing disproportionately deeper emission cuts on them.

The international community still has a huge amount of work to do to bridge the differences between rich and poor countries to secure a new climate deal.

It is high time that realism prevailed because no country, rich or poor, can afford to walk out of Copenhagen empty-handed. A reality that all negotiators have to face is that a country can deny or defer to walk on the road to a low-carbon future at its own peril.

(China Daily 12/11/2009 page8


points :

while your reporter sells negative...the China Daily sells positive.
while your reporter mocks and complains, China Daily acknowleges the difficulties.
while your reporter is lost on measurements, China Daily emphasis government actions and government policies to solve the problem.

China promotes the concept of.... "common but differentiated responsibilities" and that is the way to go......this way everyone feels like they are the winners....not the American way of blames and accusations and negativisms.

country can deny to walk on the road to a low-carbon future ONLY at its own peril....I thought it is so obvious yet splitists and obstructionists keep doing nothing but putting road blocks on the way.

if one looks at three places at roughly the same stage of development.....USA, Europe and Japan...it is so obvious that USA is so so far behind the game.