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Old 12-22-2009
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Global warming snake oil salesmen

Global liars doing everything they can to hide the lies they tell. Even "scientists" will lie to support an agenda.

Oh, you thought a scientist would never do such a thing ?

You'd better think again, they're people too.

Yes, I said people. I know, I know that may surprise some of us that seem to believe these scientists are Gods.

Nope, just people. People that lie. People that make mistakes.

People that have snake oil to try to sell to other people.


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History of climate gets 'erased' online

December 21, 2009


A new report reveals a British scientist and Wikipedia administrator rewrote climate history, editing more than 5,000 unique articles in the online encyclopedia to cover traces of a medieval warming period – something Climategate scientists saw as a major roadblock in the effort to spread the global warming message.


Recently hacked e-mails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit expose a plot to eliminate the Medieval Warm Period, a 400-year era that began around A.D. 1000, the Financial Post's Lawrence Solomon reports.


The warming period is said to have improved agriculture and increased life spans, but scientists at the center of the Climategate e-mail scandal believed the era undermined their goal of spreading concern about global warming as it pertains to today's climate.


Solomon noted the warming period presented a dilemma long before the Climategate e-mail scandal.


A 1995 e-mail predating the recent Climate Research Unit scandal was sent to geophysicist David Deming. A major climate-change researcher told Deming, "We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period."


Some scientists later expressed concern about erasing the period.


One chief practitioner identified as Keith Briffa, said in a Sept. 22, 1999, e-mail, "I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards 'apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data' but in reality the situation is not quite so simple. … I believe that the recent warmth was probably matched about 1,000 years ago."


Briffa and other scientists, with the help of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, published a well-known symbol of their movement: the hockey stick chart, an illustration reproduced in textbooks, media reports and the pages of the 2001 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, report.


However, the graph showed stable temperatures over the last 1,000 years and omitted any indication of the warming period.


"But the U.N.'s official verdict that the Medieval Warm Period had not existed did not erase the countless schoolbooks, encyclopedias, and other scholarly sources that claimed it had," Solomon wrote. "Rewriting those would take decades, time that the band members didn't have if they were to save the globe from warming."


Instead, the group created a website called RealClimate.org. One e-mail addressed criticism of the hockey stick graph and any suggestions that today's temperatures were not the hottest on record.


"The idea is that we working climate scientists should have a place where we can mount a rapid response to supposedly 'bombshell' papers that are doing the rounds" in aid of "combating dis-information," a Dec. 10, 2004, e-mail to the Climate Research Unit from Gavin Schmidt explained.


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History of climate gets 'erased' online



The RealClimate.org team consisted of Schmidt, Mike Mann, Eric Steig, William Connolley, Stefan Rahmstorf, Ray Bradley, Amy Clement, Rasmus Benestad and Caspar Ammann.


Solomon revealed that Connolley, one man in the nine-member team who is a U.K. scientist, a software engineer and Green Party activist, took control of Wikipedia's entries to see that any trace of the true climate history would be erased.


Beginning in February 2003, Connolley rewrote Wikipedia entries on global warming, the greenhouse effect, the instrumental temperature record, the urban heat island, on climate models and on global cooling, according to the report. In February, he began editing the Little Ice Age. By August, he began to rewrite history without the Medieval Warm Period. In October, he turned to the hockey-stick chart.


"He rewrote articles on the politics of global warming and on the scientists who were skeptical of the band," Solomon explains. "Richard Lindzen and Fred Singer, two of the world's most distinguished climate scientists, were among his early targets, followed by others that the band especially hated, such as Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, authorities on the Medieval Warm Period."


Through his role as a Wikipedia administrator, Connolley is said to have created or rewritten 5,428 unique Wikipedia entries.


"When Connolley didn't like the subject of a certain article, he removed it – more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his hand," Solomon wrote. "When he disapproved of the arguments that others were making, he often had them barred – over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found themselves blocked from making further contributions."



Meanwhile, followers who adhered to Connolley's climate views "were rewarded with Wikipedia's blessings," Solomon contends.


Through his control of the Wikipedia pages, Connolley is said to have "turned Wikipedia into the missionary wing of the global warming movement."


Facts about the Medieval Warm Period and criticism of global warming doctrine were purportedly scrubbed from Wikipedia's pages.



"With the release of the Climategate e-mails, the disappearing trick has been exposed," Solomon declared. "The glorious Medieval Warm Period will remain in the history books, perhaps with an asterisk to describe how a band of zealots once tried to make it disappear."


A Wikipedia arbitration committee has stated in the past: "William M. Connolley has, on a number of occasions, misused his administrator tools by acting while involved."



A July 31, 2006, article in the New Yorker described Connolley as a "victim of an edit war over the entry on global warming, to which he had contributed."


"After a particularly nasty confrontation with a skeptic, who had repeatedly watered down language pertaining to the greenhouse effect, the case went into arbitration," the report states.


"User William M. Connolley strongly pushes his POV [point of view] with systematic removal of any POV which does not match his own," his accuser charged in a written deposition. "His views on climate science are singular and narrow."


Connolley said Wikipedia "gives no privilege to those who know what they're talking about."


Just today, Connolley has made edits in numerous Wikipedia entries, including articles titled, "Public opinion on climate change," "Climate," "Scientific opinion on climate change," "RealClimate," " Global cooling," "Climate change" and the biography of scientist William M. Gray, writing that Gray's "views on global warming are controversial."


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Re: Global warming snake oil salesmen

As I was saying .....


Anything to try to cover up, or hide the fraud of "global warming."

Corruption and lies all of it.

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The 'science' mantra

Thomas Sowell 12/22/2009


science has been seized upon by politicians and ideologues, and used to forward their own agendas.

This started long ago, as far back as the 18th century, when the Marquis de Condorcet coined the term "social science" to describe various theories he favored. In the 19th century, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels distinguished their own brand of socialism as "scientific socialism." By the 20th century, all sorts of notions wrapped themselves in the mantle of "science."

"Global warming" hysteria is only the latest in this long line of notions, whose main argument is that there is no argument, because it is "science." The recently revealed destruction of raw data at the bottom of the global warming hysteria, as well as revelations of attempts to prevent critics of this hysteria from being published in leading journals, suggests that the disinterested search for truth -- the hallmark of real science -- has taken a back seat to a political crusade.

An intercepted e-mail from a professor at the Climate Research Unit in England to a professor at the University of Pennsylvania warned the latter: "Don't any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act" and urged the American professor to delete any e-mails he may have sent a colleague regarding the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

When a business accused of fraud begins shredding its memos and deleting its e-mails, the media are quick to proclaim these actions as signs of guilt. But, after the global warming advocates began a systematic destruction of evidence, the big television networks went for days without even reporting these facts, much less commenting on them.

As for politicians, Senator Barbara Boxer has urged prosecution of the hackers who uncovered and revealed the e-mails! People who have in the past applauded whistleblowers in business, in the military, or in Republican administrations, and who lionized the New York Times for publishing the classified Pentagon papers, are now shocked and outraged that someone dared to expose massive evidence of manipulations, concealment, and destruction of data -- and deliberate cover-ups of all this -- in the global warming establishment.

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Perspective: The 'science' mantra (OneNewsNow.com)
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As I was saying .....


Anything to try to cover up, or hide the fraud of "global warming."

Corruption and lies all of it.
That about covers it.
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That about covers it.
It does.

Lets hope the brainwashed masses that have bought this snake oil from the mainstream media and politician liars, will come to realize they've been had.

BIGTIME

This is the biggest scam I've ever seen, and I've seen quite a few.
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It does.

Lets hope the brainwashed masses that have bought this snake oil from the mainstream media and politician liars, will come to realize they've been had.
The "Masses" have... and no long believe any of this claptrap...

It is the few... like our friend Andrew here... that will never ever believe anything other than man is a blot on the earth.

Love them...
Pitty them...
But don't ever expect to see them understand that they have been had... lied to.
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The "Masses" have... and no long believe any of this claptrap...

It is the few... like our friend Andrew here... that will never ever believe anything other than man is a blot on the earth.

Love them...
Pitty them...
But don't ever expect to see them understand that they have been had... lied to.
It doesn't matter to them if they've been lied to, as long as the lies they've been told support their worldview that mankind is a blot on the Earth


Oh well, you can't make everyone see clearly.
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Re: Global warming snake oil salesmen

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It does.

Lets hope the brainwashed masses that have bought this snake oil from the mainstream media and politician liars, will come to realize they've been had.

BIGTIME

This is the biggest scam I've ever seen, and I've seen quite a few.
naa there all just Sheep, bahhhhh, to stuped to thank for them selfs thay need the "experts" to tell them what to thank, no matter how little sense it makes.
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Old 12-31-2009
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Global warming, a cult religion for the weak and demented :-)





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Lefties have long mocked Christians on the fringe for proclaiming the imminent end of the world and the coming of God. Yokels, bumpkins, knuckle-draggers, Bible-thumpers, crazies, and zealots are but a few of the epithets that have been hurled at End-Times Christians.


It's therefore more than a little ironic -- perhaps divinely ironic -- that many of these same oh-so-worldly liberals have come to embrace their own version of the end times. Theirs, though, hasn't a hint of the divine in it; that would smack of the wrong sort of primitivism and violate their steadfast secularism and their claim to upholding down-to-earth science and ideology.


Their chicken-littleism, preaching, and rants about global warming (or climate change, or whatever else they think helps sell the goods) is never portrayed as such -- not, of course, by themselves or by a pliant establishment media. Theirs is "settled science," according to movement gurus, with Al Gore being the most conspicuous.


Global warming isn't a religion, not even figuratively. It more resembles a cult. In a couple of generations -- let's hope -- the global warming camp of our time will be seen clearly as having occupied the fringe of science; a heretical (in scientific terms) movement given to wild claims and inspired by a cultish fervency to convert fellow humans to their extreme beliefs -- findings and facts be damned.


Mr. Gore is never wont to mention that legions of scientists back up claims that the world's very existence hangs in the balance. The world's end may or may not surpass the year it ends (2012) in the Mayan calendar. Never mind the large and growing body of scientists who are openly dissenting from the global warming creed. Never mind that some of the scientists -- or high priests -- who are quite zealous regarding global warming doomsday scenarios have been caught cooking the science or obscuring findings that run counter to their claims. Isn't that, in a sense, what priests in a bygone era did to discredit Galileo? Or what clerics did when they burned witches at the stake?


As the informed know, science isn't science unless theories -- if they are that -- are subject to rigorous examination and criticism. Theories stand or fall through a relentless process of challenge and elimination. Call the method scientific musical chairs. The last to have a seat wins...for a while, anyway.


The scientific priesthood that surrounds global warming theory seems far more determined to protect the theory from the rigors of scientific method than to open it up to challenge. This bespeaks a couple of important things: 1) that so jealously guarding global warming theory from scrutiny and challenge means that its advocates have little confidence in it; 2) that it reduces the theory to an article of faith, which anyone is entitled to hold, but not to impose on the rest of us.


It must strike those who are stridently secular as peculiar for anyone to suggest that global warming science is nothing more than a faith, and that their deep need for faith -- as there's a deep need for faith in all human beings -- is being satisfied and expressed through pseudo-science.


It's quite remarkable that socialism or Marxism -- which are generally hostile to religion or faith, which lay claims to objectivity and reality, and which most global warming adherents are in sympathy with -- should fall into the hands of those who, despite their protestations, are decidedly antagonistic to the openness and dissent that in large part makes science science.


As leftism has aged since the 19th century, its repeated collisions with the world's hard realities have gutted its faith in humanity. Human nature isn't so plastic after all. The peoples of the world have many differences, some good and some bad, but often not easily reconciled, if at all. Where there's poverty, there's usually tyranny of the left variety, or of corrupt oligarchs, who often mouth fealty to leftism.


This gulf between an unobtainable ideal and world and human reality has made left-wingers quietly disillusioned and bereft. Their "isms" have failed or are failing. Communism, as practiced behind the Iron and Bamboo Curtains, weren't just failures, but monstrosities. Butchery -- mass genocide -- was a feature of the Soviet Union, Mao's China, and Pol Pot's Cambodia. Fascism -- communism's first cousin -- was equally monstrous. Hitler and Tojo peddled utopianism with nationalistic and ethnic twists.


The left's failures have bred widespread nihilism among its adherents, and that nihilism has crept into western culture. If the left can't succeed, nothing can succeed. Failure isn't theirs alone, but a global disaster. What's life worth if humans are intrinsically unable to live up to the left's ideals? What does life matter? Hedonism and libertinism -- why not?


This, in part, has given rise to the left's embrace of a range of anti-life propositions, from abortion to stem cell research (on living embryos) to end-of-life counseling to sexual promiscuity that results in disease and, in some instances, death. Some leftists are now calling for a one-child policy to be imposed on all nations. Crazy? Indeed, but today's crazy leftist idea often becomes a serious proposal or policy tomorrow. Check the history for yourself.



The global warming cult, in one sense, is the left's last stand: It's a lashing out at the human race for all its perceived deficiencies, avarice, narrowness, and failings -- or at least, that portion of the human race that resides in the west. The human race stands in the docket accused of degrading the world with the intent of destroying it. But the evidence doesn't bear out the charge. It is instead the accuser who has and continues to destroy human life. It's the left that's intent on making the end times a self-fulfilling prophecy.


American Thinker: The Left's End Times
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Re: Global warming snake oil salesmen

I think that your missing the point. Noboday is saying that global warming is new, but they are saying it is taking place faster and we have to prepare ourselves. Unfortunately animals and plants can´t adapt as quickly, which means that we will have less animals like the polar bear in the future.
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Unfortunately animals and plants can´t adapt as quickly, which means that we will have less animals like the polar bear in the future.
Polar bears are a wonderful thing until you realize a pair of shotguns and your dogs are the only things keeping you from being bear shit.
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...but they are saying it is taking place faster and we have to prepare ourselves.
But you see… that’s NOT what they are saying. But, for the moment, let’s say that it is. Were that the case, I’d say fine… let us prepare. Money for a seed bank for those plants that might not make it? Sure. DNA banks for the animals? Sure. Sea wall studies? Relocation studies? Why not?

But nobody is talking about that kind of things, are they?

Carbon trading and limiting our economy and sending billions to third world hell holes is not to preparing ourselves.

I am forced to repeat here, that the first thing I noticed about the AGW crowd was that if you really thought that all this horrible shit was about to hit the fan you’d being doing something very different than anything that they are wanting us to do.

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Polar bears are a wonderful thing until you realize a pair of shotguns and your dogs are the only things keeping you from being bear shit.
Well and there is that of course. Thing is that the polar bears are expanding in both range and population. They don’t seem to mind it warmer.
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But you see… that’s NOT what they are saying. But, for the moment, let’s say that it is. Were that the case, I’d say fine… let us prepare. Money for a seed bank for those plants that might not make it? Sure. DNA banks for the animals? Sure. Sea wall studies? Relocation studies? Why not?

But nobody is talking about that kind of things, are they?

Carbon trading and limiting our economy and sending billions to third world hell holes is not to preparing ourselves.

I am forced to repeat here, that the first thing I noticed about the AGW crowd was that if you really thought that all this horrible shit was about to hit the fan you’d being doing something very different than anything that they are wanting us to do.



Well and there is that of course. Thing is that the polar bears are expanding in both range and population. They don’t seem to mind it warmer.
Actually, seed and DNA banks are being established. Sea walls have been thought of but most people say they would be impractical as only walls several thousand miles long would be effective in many cases . Additionally, these still would do nothing to alleviate the problems of increasing storms and desertification. The main problem will be famine, not extinction or flooding.

In any case, the idea is to prevent, not deal with the aftermath, or rather to prevent as much as we still can, to keep the aftermath from being utterly disastrous.
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In any case, the idea is to prevent, not deal with the aftermath, or rather to prevent as much as we still can, to keep the aftermath from being utterly disastrous.
There will never be an aftermath, there will always be a changing climate, just like there always has been.
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What do you have to lose if were wrong about globle warming? If your wrong then it will be an uncomfortable place to live.

Polar bears are just a symbol, they can live in zoos but do we want that?

I make the experience that its easier to be against something, then to find a cause that they support.

Bush is an asshole, Obama is an asshole and you?
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What do you have to lose if were wrong about globle warming? If your wrong then it will be an uncomfortable place to live.

Polar bears are just a symbol, they can live in zoos but do we want that?

I make the experience that its easier to be against something, then to find a cause that they support.

Bush is an asshole, Obama is an asshole and you?
As has been pointed out to you benny, we have plenty to lose. The things which have been proposed as "solutions" for global warming, such as Cap and Tax, will only serve to redistribute American wealth to the turd world, while doing nothing to reduce co2 emissions. What part of that don't you understand?
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