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Moderator
At least part 23... maybe more.
Climate: New study slashes estimate of icecap loss - Yahoo! Singapore NewsEstimates of the rate of ice loss from Greenland and West Antarctica, one of the most worrying questions in the global warming debate, should be halved, according to Dutch and US scientists.
In the last two years, several teams have estimated Greenland is shedding roughly 230 gigatonnes of ice, or 230 billion tonnes, per year and West Antarctica around 132 gigatonnes annually.
Together, that would account for more than half of the annual three-millimetre (0.2 inch) yearly rise in sea levels, a pace that compares dramatically with 1.8mm (0.07 inches) annually in the early 1960s.
But, according to the new study, published in the September issue of the journal Nature Geoscience, the ice estimates fail to correct for a phenomenon known as glacial isostatic adjustment.
This is the term for the rebounding of Earth's crust following the last Ice Age.
Not 10% off
Not 20% off
A full one-half off!
Nothing... and I mean NOTHING about AGW is true. They make it up... it is a sham... and truly cannot be believed by any thinking person.
Administrator
Hmmm....I'm still not convinced that AGW is fake. Why just this morning it was in the 70's but by 1:00 we were pushing 100! That's almost 30 degrees in a matter of hours! If this keeps up all my beer is gonna get warm by dinner time.Originally Posted by tsquare
Secretary of Defense
One thing I think we can agree on, is the weather is changing and it is getting hotter. The months of July and August the temp here was between 110 to 118 every day. At night the low was in the upper 80's to lower 90's. It's never been that hot before.
IMHO part of it is a natural change, however I can't help but think that all the crap we've been putting in the air over the last 100 or so years also has an effect on it.
Administrator
Really? Where are you living? Here in Tucson we are rarely getting days over 110 while back when I first moved here we'd have stretches of weeks at that temp. It's been like that for the past 5 years or so.
Secretary of Defense
We put far more "crap" in the air and our rivers in the 50's than we do now. Why was the the temperature going down then and up now?
I'm sick and tired of my brothers and sisters dying to preserve America's right to drive like assholes.
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Vice President
In Southern California and Brazil they had the coldest August on record.
"No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."
-- Patrick Henry
County Executive
I don't. I think some places are very hot, some places are average, and some places are cold, like always.
I understand the premise of Global Warming, and I understand what it fears and acknowledge it as a serious thing, I simply belief that the amount of empirical data against the effect that they are advocating makes it difficult for me to believe.
I still cut all my soda can rings, I still pick up all my trash; after all, I like the environment; but as far as things like cap and trade, carbon credits, and anything else like that, I don't believe they should be implement unless the basis of them can be shown to prevent a disaster, and they don't yet. I'll change my mind if the evidence ever shows otherwise, however.
All I've ever heard is "people in authority say it, I'm gonna believe them" which is honestly just not enough. The data to support it SHOULD be openly available yet it seems to be something very difficult to find.
Moderator
Nothing but the sound of crickets here... lots and lots of crickets...
Lieutenant Governor
I can't disagree with your concern about POLLUTION! I also would like to see more done to hold polluters accountable for their actions. That being said...the act of calling CO2 a POLLUTANT, was soo assinine, and is the basis for AGW politics. Don't mix the two. Pollution should be curtailed to the fullest extent possible. AGW (CO2 emissions) are merely a convenient global tax scam!!
President
How does the adjusted rate show that they made anything up, the the earth is not warming, that the ice is not melting an an accelerating rate, and that the seal level is still not rising.
I mean what difference does this correction make?
Andrew
“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”
-- Derrick Jensen
President
Its not really difficult to find at all:
RealClimate: Data Sources
and:
Met Office: Land surface climate station records
and:
NCDC: Online Climate Data Directory
Andrew
“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”
-- Derrick Jensen
County Executive
100 years is not enough of a time frame. I think the highest they have is 151. Anything I've seen with more than 400-500 years goes against global warming. If they have something otherwise I'll see it, but like I said, 150 years is not a good scope. Kind of like how I could just show the DOW gains from the past week and show a huge gain, even though if I show from the past 3 years we're still very very bad off.
Secretary of State
They don't have "accurate" data samples from that far back. If they did and they didn't show the results they wanted to see the argument would be "the instruments weren't accurate like today's are".
If in the history of this planet what we're seeing was unique, I'd say the Climate Change nuts would have a point.
Since it isn't I'd say they don't. I think man has had some effect on what happens on a global environmental scale, but fairly insignificant in the overall picture.
A is A
President
If by crap you are referring to sulfur aerosols (from coal burning power plants, car emissions, volcanoes, etc) then these have a cooling effect as they reflect sunlight.
The problem is that sulfur aerosols come from incomplete combustion. Less efficient engines and power plants tend to put lots of sulfur aerosols into the atmosphere (also causing acid rain).
As regulations have come into effect over the last few decades there are less and less of the sulfur aerosols in the air, so we are seeing an increase in the rate of global warming as a result.
It's a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation. Sulfur aerosols are incredibly bad for human health, but that have masked quite a bit of the AGW effect in the latter part of the 20th century. So as we clean up the air its going to make dealing with AGW more difficult..
Andrew
“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”
-- Derrick Jensen
President
How can you say its not unique when we are taking CO2 that has been absent from the carbon cycle for hundreds of millions of years and putting it all in the atmosphere within 2 centuries. The rate at which this is happening is unprecedented.
Andrew
“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”
-- Derrick Jensen
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