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    Physics Prof Resigns in Disgust

    Here is another guy who should know saying that AGW is a scam driven by money.

    Harold Lewis is Emeritus Professor of Physics at the University of California, Santa Barbara. Here is his letter of resignation to Curtis G. Callan Jr, Princeton University, President of the American Physical Society.



    Dear Curt:
    When I first joined the American Physical Society sixty-seven years ago it was much smaller, much gentler, and as yet uncorrupted by the money flood (a threat against which Dwight Eisenhower warned a half-century ago). Indeed, the choice of physics as a profession was then a guarantor of a life of poverty and abstinence—it was World War II that changed all that. The prospect of worldly gain drove few physicists. As recently as thirty-five years ago, when I chaired the first APS study of a contentious social/scientific issue, The Reactor Safety Study, though there were zealots aplenty on the outside there was no hint of inordinate pressure on us as physicists. We were therefore able to produce what I believe was and is an honest appraisal of the situation at that time. We were further enabled by the presence of an oversight committee consisting of Pief Panofsky, Vicki Weisskopf, and Hans Bethe, all towering physicists beyond reproach. I was proud of what we did in a charged atmosphere. In the end the oversight committee, in its report to the APS President, noted the complete independence in which we did the job, and predicted that the report would be attacked from both sides. What greater tribute could there be?

    How different it is now. The giants no longer walk the earth, and the money flood has become the raison d’être of much physics research, the vital sustenance of much more, and it provides the support for untold numbers of professional jobs. For reasons that will soon become clear my former pride at being an APS Fellow all these years has been turned into shame, and I am forced, with no pleasure at all, to offer you my resignation from the Society.

    It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford’s book organizes the facts very well.) I don’t believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist.

    So what has the APS, as an organization, done in the face of this challenge? It has accepted the corruption as the norm, and gone along with it. For example:

    1. About a year ago a few of us sent an e-mail on the subject to a fraction of the membership. APS ignored the issues, but the then President immediately launched a hostile investigation of where we got the e-mail addresses. In its better days, APS used to encourage discussion of important issues, and indeed the Constitution cites that as its principal purpose. No more. Everything that has been done in the last year has been designed to silence debate

    2. The appallingly tendentious APS statement on Climate Change was apparently written in a hurry by a few people over lunch, and is certainly not representative of the talents of APS members as I have long known them. So a few of us petitioned the Council to reconsider it. One of the outstanding marks of (in)distinction in the Statement was the poison word incontrovertible, which describes few items in physics, certainly not this one. In response APS appointed a secret committee that never met, never troubled to speak to any skeptics, yet endorsed the Statement in its entirety. (They did admit that the tone was a bit strong, but amazingly kept the poison word incontrovertible to describe the evidence, a position supported by no one.) In the end, the Council kept the original statement, word for word, but approved a far longer “explanatory” screed, admitting that there were uncertainties, but brushing them aside to give blanket approval to the original. The original Statement, which still stands as the APS position, also contains what I consider pompous and asinine advice to all world governments, as if the APS were master of the universe. It is not, and I am embarrassed that our leaders seem to think it is. This is not fun and games, these are serious matters involving vast fractions of our national substance, and the reputation of the Society as a scientific society is at stake.

    3. In the interim the ClimateGate scandal broke into the news, and the machinations of the principal alarmists were revealed to the world. It was a fraud on a scale I have never seen, and I lack the words to describe its enormity. Effect on the APS position: none. None at all. This is not science; other forces are at work.

    4. So a few of us tried to bring science into the act (that is, after all, the alleged and historic purpose of APS), and collected the necessary 200+ signatures to bring to the Council a proposal for a Topical Group on Climate Science, thinking that open discussion of the scientific issues, in the best tradition of physics, would be beneficial to all, and also a contribution to the nation. I might note that it was not easy to collect the signatures, since you denied us the use of the APS membership list. We conformed in every way with the requirements of the APS Constitution, and described in great detail what we had in mind—simply to bring the subject into the open.<

    5. To our amazement, Constitution be damned, you declined to accept our petition, but instead used your own control of the mailing list to run a poll on the members’ interest in a TG on Climate and the Environment. You did ask the members if they would sign a petition to form a TG on your yet-to-be-defined subject, but provided no petition, and got lots of affirmative responses. (If you had asked about sex you would have gotten more expressions of interest.) There was of course no such petition or proposal, and you have now dropped the Environment part, so the whole matter is moot. (Any lawyer will tell you that you cannot collect signatures on a vague petition, and then fill in whatever you like.) The entire purpose of this exercise was to avoid your constitutional responsibility to take our petition to the Council.

    6. As of now you have formed still another secret and stacked committee to organize your own TG, simply ignoring our lawful petition.

    APS management has gamed the problem from the beginning, to suppress serious conversation about the merits of the climate change claims. Do you wonder that I have lost confidence in the organization?

    I do feel the need to add one note, and this is conjecture, since it is always risky to discuss other people’s motives. This scheming at APS HQ is so bizarre that there cannot be a simple explanation for it. Some have held that the physicists of today are not as smart as they used to be, but I don’t think that is an issue. I think it is the money, exactly what Eisenhower warned about a half-century ago. There are indeed trillions of dollars involved, to say nothing of the fame and glory (and frequent trips to exotic islands) that go with being a member of the club. Your own Physics Department (of which you are chairman) would lose millions a year if the global warming bubble burst. When Penn State absolved Mike Mann of wrongdoing, and the University of East Anglia did the same for Phil Jones, they cannot have been unaware of the financial penalty for doing otherwise. As the old saying goes, you don’t have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing. Since I am no philosopher, I’m not going to explore at just which point enlightened self-interest crosses the line into corruption, but a careful reading of the ClimateGate releases makes it clear that this is not an academic question.

    I want no part of it, so please accept my resignation. APS no longer represents me, but I hope we are still friends.
    Hal

    US physics professor: 'Global warming is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life' – Telegraph Blogs

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    Re: Physics Prof Resigns in Disgust

    Quote Originally Posted by Brexx View Post
    Here is another guy who should know saying that AGW is a scam driven by money.

    Harold Lewis is Emeritus Professor of Physics at the University of California, Santa Barbara. Here is his letter of resignation to Curtis G. Callan Jr, Princeton University, President of the American Physical Society.



    Dear Curt:
    When I first joined the American Physical Society sixty-seven years ago it was much smaller, much gentler, and as yet uncorrupted by the money flood (a threat against which Dwight Eisenhower warned a half-century ago). Indeed, the choice of physics as a profession was then a guarantor of a life of poverty and abstinence—it was World War II that changed all that. The prospect of worldly gain drove few physicists. As recently as thirty-five years ago, when I chaired the first APS study of a contentious social/scientific issue, The Reactor Safety Study, though there were zealots aplenty on the outside there was no hint of inordinate pressure on us as physicists. We were therefore able to produce what I believe was and is an honest appraisal of the situation at that time. We were further enabled by the presence of an oversight committee consisting of Pief Panofsky, Vicki Weisskopf, and Hans Bethe, all towering physicists beyond reproach. I was proud of what we did in a charged atmosphere. In the end the oversight committee, in its report to the APS President, noted the complete independence in which we did the job, and predicted that the report would be attacked from both sides. What greater tribute could there be?

    How different it is now. The giants no longer walk the earth, and the money flood has become the raison d’être of much physics research, the vital sustenance of much more, and it provides the support for untold numbers of professional jobs. For reasons that will soon become clear my former pride at being an APS Fellow all these years has been turned into shame, and I am forced, with no pleasure at all, to offer you my resignation from the Society.

    It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford’s book organizes the facts very well.) I don’t believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist.

    So what has the APS, as an organization, done in the face of this challenge? It has accepted the corruption as the norm, and gone along with it. For example:

    1. About a year ago a few of us sent an e-mail on the subject to a fraction of the membership. APS ignored the issues, but the then President immediately launched a hostile investigation of where we got the e-mail addresses. In its better days, APS used to encourage discussion of important issues, and indeed the Constitution cites that as its principal purpose. No more. Everything that has been done in the last year has been designed to silence debate

    2. The appallingly tendentious APS statement on Climate Change was apparently written in a hurry by a few people over lunch, and is certainly not representative of the talents of APS members as I have long known them. So a few of us petitioned the Council to reconsider it. One of the outstanding marks of (in)distinction in the Statement was the poison word incontrovertible, which describes few items in physics, certainly not this one. In response APS appointed a secret committee that never met, never troubled to speak to any skeptics, yet endorsed the Statement in its entirety. (They did admit that the tone was a bit strong, but amazingly kept the poison word incontrovertible to describe the evidence, a position supported by no one.) In the end, the Council kept the original statement, word for word, but approved a far longer “explanatory” screed, admitting that there were uncertainties, but brushing them aside to give blanket approval to the original. The original Statement, which still stands as the APS position, also contains what I consider pompous and asinine advice to all world governments, as if the APS were master of the universe. It is not, and I am embarrassed that our leaders seem to think it is. This is not fun and games, these are serious matters involving vast fractions of our national substance, and the reputation of the Society as a scientific society is at stake.

    3. In the interim the ClimateGate scandal broke into the news, and the machinations of the principal alarmists were revealed to the world. It was a fraud on a scale I have never seen, and I lack the words to describe its enormity. Effect on the APS position: none. None at all. This is not science; other forces are at work.

    4. So a few of us tried to bring science into the act (that is, after all, the alleged and historic purpose of APS), and collected the necessary 200+ signatures to bring to the Council a proposal for a Topical Group on Climate Science, thinking that open discussion of the scientific issues, in the best tradition of physics, would be beneficial to all, and also a contribution to the nation. I might note that it was not easy to collect the signatures, since you denied us the use of the APS membership list. We conformed in every way with the requirements of the APS Constitution, and described in great detail what we had in mind—simply to bring the subject into the open.<

    5. To our amazement, Constitution be damned, you declined to accept our petition, but instead used your own control of the mailing list to run a poll on the members’ interest in a TG on Climate and the Environment. You did ask the members if they would sign a petition to form a TG on your yet-to-be-defined subject, but provided no petition, and got lots of affirmative responses. (If you had asked about sex you would have gotten more expressions of interest.) There was of course no such petition or proposal, and you have now dropped the Environment part, so the whole matter is moot. (Any lawyer will tell you that you cannot collect signatures on a vague petition, and then fill in whatever you like.) The entire purpose of this exercise was to avoid your constitutional responsibility to take our petition to the Council.

    6. As of now you have formed still another secret and stacked committee to organize your own TG, simply ignoring our lawful petition.

    APS management has gamed the problem from the beginning, to suppress serious conversation about the merits of the climate change claims. Do you wonder that I have lost confidence in the organization?

    I do feel the need to add one note, and this is conjecture, since it is always risky to discuss other people’s motives. This scheming at APS HQ is so bizarre that there cannot be a simple explanation for it. Some have held that the physicists of today are not as smart as they used to be, but I don’t think that is an issue. I think it is the money, exactly what Eisenhower warned about a half-century ago. There are indeed trillions of dollars involved, to say nothing of the fame and glory (and frequent trips to exotic islands) that go with being a member of the club. Your own Physics Department (of which you are chairman) would lose millions a year if the global warming bubble burst. When Penn State absolved Mike Mann of wrongdoing, and the University of East Anglia did the same for Phil Jones, they cannot have been unaware of the financial penalty for doing otherwise. As the old saying goes, you don’t have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing. Since I am no philosopher, I’m not going to explore at just which point enlightened self-interest crosses the line into corruption, but a careful reading of the ClimateGate releases makes it clear that this is not an academic question.

    I want no part of it, so please accept my resignation. APS no longer represents me, but I hope we are still friends.
    Hal

    US physics professor: 'Global warming is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life' – Telegraph Blogs
    Wow.

    I wonder if this will spark anyone on the other side of the AGW debate to reexamine his position?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smurf View Post
    Wow.

    I wonder if this will spark anyone on the other side of the AGW debate to reexamine his position?
    For those who's minds are open even a crack on this subject you would think some doubt would have crept in by now.

    Those who want to use the AGW scare to change the world will stick to the story no matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brexx View Post
    For those who's minds are open even a crack on this subject you would think some doubt would have crept in by now.

    Those who want to use the AGW scare to change the world will stick to the story no matter what.
    That is what it is all about... control by the left.

    There is no environmental movement
    There is no peace movement
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    There is only the left and their quest for control.

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    Oh Andrewl......call your office. :rolleyes:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brexx View Post
    Here is another guy who should know saying that AGW is a scam driven by money.
    So in order to accept this guys position we have to believe in a retarded conspiracy theory?

    You would think a "distinguished" physics professor would at least offer us some science to go with.

    Oh well, just another curmudgeonly old white man who can't accept there is unintended consequences to the use of fossil fuels.

    Color me underwhelmed, again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurf View Post
    Wow.

    I wonder if this will spark anyone on the other side of the AGW debate to reexamine his position?
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewl View Post
    So in order to accept this guys position we have to believe in a retarded conspiracy theory?

    You would think a "distinguished" physics professor would at least offer us some science to go with.

    Oh well, just another curmudgeonly old white man who can't accept there is unintended consequences to the use of fossil fuels.

    Color me underwhelmed, again.

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    I guess not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smurf View Post
    I guess not.
    So correct me if i'm wrong but where has this prof invalidated or even provided any reason based in science to doubt the science?

    Oh right, he hasn't. I repeat again for the dim-witted - in order to go with this guy it requires believing in a conspiracy theory over a century old involving thousands of scientists from all over the globe.

    Right.

    If I'm going to re-examine my position I require someting more than a conspiracy theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewl View Post
    So in order to accept this guys position we have to believe in a retarded conspiracy theory?

    You would think a "distinguished" physics professor would at least offer us some science to go with.

    Oh well, just another curmudgeonly old white man who can't accept there is unintended consequences to the use of fossil fuels.

    Color me underwhelmed, again.

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    He didn't call it a conspiracy theory. He called it a scam and a fraud.

    Also, he didn't say anything about the unintended consequences of burning fossil fuels.

    I didn't expect your faith to be shaken. After all, without the AGW scare how could industrial civilization be destroyed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brexx View Post
    He didn't call it a conspiracy theory. He called it a scam and a fraud.
    How could it be anything other than a conspiracy theory BreXX when you are calling a scientific discovery formulated over a century involving thousands of scientists a "scam and a fraud"?

    He certainly did not demonstrate anything wrong with the science. which is typical.

    Also, he didn't say anything about the unintended consequences of burning fossil fuels.
    Yes he is, he is saying that the idea that burning fossil fuels warms the planet is a "scam and a fraud".

    I didn't expect your faith to be shaken.
    Lol... yeah right. faith. coming from someone who jumps all over anything that remotely seems to give credence to his retarded conspiracy theory.

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    I'm glad one person in the scientific community still has some integrity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewl View Post
    How could it be anything other than a conspiracy theory BreXX when you are calling a scientific discovery formulated over a century involving thousands of scientists a "scam and a fraud"?

    He certainly did not demonstrate anything wrong with the science. which is typical.



    Yes he is, he is saying that the idea that burning fossil fuels warms the planet is a "scam and a fraud".



    Lol... yeah right. faith. coming from someone who jumps all over anything that remotely seems to give credence to his retarded conspiracy theory.

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    You need to read his letter of resignation again. What he is calling a scam and a fraud has nothing to do with what has been going on for a century. He is talking about what he has been seeing and experiencing recently.
    Basically he is saying that the huge amounts of money that is being thrown at AGW research has corrupted people and corrupted the science.

    Again, as on a previous occasion, you think you know more about what goes on in the scientific world than someone who has spent his life in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewl View Post
    So correct me if i'm wrong but where has this prof invalidated or even provided any reason based in science to doubt the science?

    Oh right, he hasn't. I repeat again for the dim-witted - in order to go with this guy it requires believing in a conspiracy theory over a century old involving thousands of scientists from all over the globe.

    Right.

    If I'm going to re-examine my position I require someting more than a conspiracy theory.

    Andrew
    If I read the letter in the OP correctly, the "prof" (along with many others) wished to have the information brought out for discussion at a meeting referred to as the "Topical Group on Climate Science". The APS squelched the attempt to convene said meeting.

    If a purportedly scientific body is working to suppress scientific debate about the issue of AGW, then I would consider that a reason to question the science.
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    Why waste the time of the Topical Group on Climate Science? The science is settled. No point in discussing blasphemy. Just point it out, condemn the non-believer to scientific obscurity and resume selling carbon credits. What the hell is wrong with you? Would you rather be right or rich?
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    Re: Physics Prof Resigns in Disgust

    He's resigning from the APS, which costs ~$1800 for a lifetime membership (currently), but something on the order of ~$125 for a 1-year membership. I'm too lazy to look it up, but those are the rough numbers. I'm pretty sure anyone can join just by paying the fee.

    In other words, his resignation isn't that significant.

    I too have read the climategate e-mails and find nothing disturbing in them since the purpose of their work was to model real climate data, and modeling you talk about "problems" with "fitting peaks" and "fitting minimums" and so forth - and you find "tricks" to make your model fit the actual data. After all, they're MODELS, not complete physical truths which can be believed without question.

    Its true that he can question whether money sources influence scientific conclusions, but that was just as true in his day as it is now.

    Last point, I met Hans Bethe at a conference. Smart dude and very funny too.

    edit: Its only $930 to join if you're old, as this guy is (since he is a professor emeritus):
    http://www.aps.org/membership/senior.cfm
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