Thread: Ways to Tell Global Warming Is A Hoax

I found this in Article 1, Section 8:

Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Originally Posted by danielpalos

I found this in Article 1, Section 8:

The USA is not the several States individually. In other words, Section 8 allows Congress to pay Debts of the federal government (the USA) not of the individual States.

The United States are the several United States of our republic and federal form of government.

Thus;

Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Originally Posted by danielpalos

The United States are the several United States of our republic and federal form of government.

Thus;

Wow! Are you unable to tell the difference between yourself and the collective family you belong to? Are you unable to tell the difference between a principle and an agent? Article I of the US Constitution empowers the legislature of the proposed super-State contract to be approved by various States. The Constitution did not empower the States but bring into existence an entity to represent the States. What do you think the 9th & 10 Amendments did if there was no difference between the States and the USA?

Can you explain your understanding of our form of federal Statism better? Why do you believe the several States of our Union do not constitute the United States of America, even if they delegated some of their traditional police powers to a general government of that Union?

Originally Posted by danielpalos

Can you explain your understanding of our form of federal Statism better? Why do you believe the several States of our Union do not constitute the United States of America, even if they delegated some of their traditional police powers to a general government of that Union?

No. Can you admit that you are different than your family and a principle is different than the agent representing him?

If you and your brother (several States) do something that does not mean your family (USA) has done something, right?

The point is that me being different from my siblings doesn't mean we are not part of the same family. In that same manner, the several (brother and sister) States are still part of the same Union (of that "family"). The word "delegated" has a significant meaning in our social Contract.

Originally Posted by danielpalos

The point is that me being different from my siblings doesn't mean we are not part of the same family. In that same manner, the several (brother and sister) States are still part of the same Union (of that "family"). The word "delegated" has a significant meaning in our social Contract.

Is this your way of acknowledging the difference?

The federal government has the delegated power to pay the debts the federal government incurs. Paying the debts of several States is not a power delegated to the USA. You and your brother getting into debt does not mean your family has to pay the debt.

I agree with you that the general government of the Union is delegated the power "to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;".

Here is a line of reasoning that concurs with my opinion:

Article 4, Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Allowing the "bankruptcy" of a State of our Union is not an option.

Here is a basis for payment of State debts:

Article 6.

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

Simply delegating an unqualified power to pay the debts of the several United States should be enough to establish that line of reasoning and point of view.

Originally Posted by danielpalos

Simply delegating an unqualified power to pay the debts of the several United States should be enough to establish that line of reasoning and point of view.

No. Again, you are confusing a single United States and the debt it has, e.g., the federal government with the several States and the debt THEY have, e..g, State governments.

You may have missed the point: the general government of the Union is delegated the power "to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;". Are you claiming that any given State should not have recourse to the provisions they delegated to the general government for their general welfare and common defense, or their debts?

Originally Posted by danielpalos

You may have missed the point: the general government of the Union is delegated the power "to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;". Are you claiming that any given State should not have recourse to the provisions they delegated to the general government for their general welfare and common defense, or their debts?

I am denying your claim the the United States is the same as a State (or several States).

Please explain what this has to do with Ways to Tell Global Warming Is A Hoax.

Ft. Lauderdale breaks 169-year old cold record... South Florida cold weather: Fort Lauderdale breaks cold record for Dec. 7 - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com