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    31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    There are probably a lot more who would agree. Somebody has put together this list.
    Notice, none of them say that the cooling is caused by AGW.


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    1. Don Easterbrook, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Geology, Western Washington University.

    Setting up of the PDO cold phase assures global cooling for next approx. 30 years. Global warming is over. Expect 30 years of global cooling, perhaps severe 2-5°F.”
    He predicts several possible cooling scenarios: The first is similar to 1945-1977 trends, the second is similar to 1880-1915 trends and the third is similar to 1790-1820 trends. His latest article states:

    Expect global cooling for the next 2-3 decades that will be far more damaging than global warming would have been.”
    Read here, here and here.

    2. Syun Akasofu, Professor of Geophysics, Emeritus, University of Alaska, also founding director of ARC
    He predicts the current pattern of temperature increase of 0.5C /100 years resulting from natural causes will continue with alternating cooling as well as warming phases. He shows cooling for the next cycle until about 2030/ 2040.

    And again a new paper ON THE RECOVERY FROM LITTLE ICE AGE - Read here.

    3. Prof. Mojib Latif, Professor, Kiel University, Germany
    He makes a prediction for one decade only, namely the next decade [2009-2019] and he basically shows the global average temperatures will decline to a range of about 14.18 C to 14.28 C from 14.39 C [eyeballing his graphs].

    He also said that “you may well enter a decade or two of cooling relative to the present temperature level”, however he did not indicate when any two decades of cooling would happen or whether the second decade after the next decade will also be cooling. Read here and here.

    4. Dr. Noel Keenlyside from the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University. The BBC writes:

    The Earth’s temperature may stay roughly the same for a decade, as natural climate cycles enter a cooling phase, scientists have predicted.”
    A new computer model developed by German researchers, reported in the journal Nature, suggests the cooling will counter greenhouse warming.”
    Read here news.bbc.

    5. Professor Anastasios Tsonis, Head of Atmospheric Sciences Group University of Wisconsin, and Dr. Kyle Swanson of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. msnbc writes:

    We have such a change now and can therefore expect 20 -30 years of cooler temperatures”
    This is nothing like anything we’ve seen since 1950,”
    Kyle Swanson of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee said. “Cooling events since then had firm causes, like eruptions or large-magnitude La Ninas. This current cooling doesn’t have one.”

    Swanson thinks the trend could continue for up to 30 years.”
    Also read The mini ice age starts here at dailymail.co.uk/.

    6. William M Gray, Professor Emeritus, Dept of Atmospheric Sciences, Colorado State University

    A weak global cooling began from the mid-1940’s and lasted until mid-1970’s. I predict this is what we will see in the next few decades.”
    Read colostate.edu.

    7. Henrik Svensmark , Professor DTU, Copenhagen. Henrik Svensmark writes:

    Indeed, global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning. No climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth, on the contrary. This means that projections of future climate is unpredictable.”
    Read here.

    8. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, D.Sc., AboAkademi University, Finland

    Therefore, prolonged low solar activity periods in the future may cause the domination of a strongly negative AO and extremely cold winters in North America, Europe and Russia.”
    Read here.

    9. Dr. Alexander Frolov, Head of Russia’s state meteorological service Rosgidromet. The Daily Mail.co.uk quotes Frolov:

    ‘From the scientific point of view, in terms of large scale climate cycles, we are in a period of cooling.

    ‘The last three years of low temperatures in Siberia, the Arctic and number of Russia mountainous regions prove that, as does the recovery of ice in the Arctic Ocean and the absence of warming signs in Siberia.”
    And writes:

    Mr. Tishkov, deputy head of the Geography Institute at Russian Academy of Science, said: ‘What we have been watching recently is comparatively fast changes of climate to warming, but within the framework of an overall long-term period of cooling. This is a proven scientific fact’.”
    10. Mike Lockwood, Professor of Space Environmental Physics, University of Reading, UK. Read BBC News here:

    The UK and continental Europe could be gripped by more frequent cold winters in the future as a result of low solar activity, say researchers.”
    11. Dr. Oleg Pokrovsky, Voeikov Main Geophysical Observatory: Ria Novosti writes:

    There isn’t going to be an ice age, but temperatures will drop to levels last seen in the 1950s and 1960s.
    Right now all components of the climate system are entering a negative phase. The cooling will reach it’s peak in 15 years. Politicians who have geared up for warming are sitting on the wrong horse.

    The Northeast Passage will freeze over and will be passable only with icebreakers.”
    Pokrovsky also claims that the IPCC, which has prophesized global warming, has ignored many factors. He also noted that most American weather stations are located in cities where temperatures are always higher.

    We don’t know everything that’s happening. The climate system is very complex and the IPCC is not the final truth on the matter.”
    Read here NoTricksZone.

    12. Girma Orssengo, b.Tech, MASc, PhD

    These cool and warm PDO regimes correlate well with the cooling and warming phases of GMTA shown in Figure 3.
    The model in Figure 3 predicts global cooling until 2030. This result is also supported by shifts in PDO that occurred at the end of the last century, which is expected to result in global cooling until about 2030 [7].”
    Read WUWT and read here, and

    In this article, a mathematical model was developed that agrees with observed Global Mean Temperature Anomaly(GMTA), and its prediction shows global cooling by about 0.42 deg C until 2030. Also, comparison of observed increase in human emission of CO2 with increase in GMTA during the 20th century shows no relationship between the two. As a result, the claim by the IPCC of climate catastrophe is not supported by the data.”

    ‘Fossil fuels allowed man to live his life as a proud human, but the IPCC asserts its use causes catastrophic.’ “
    Read here at WUWT.

    13. Nicola Scafetta, PhD.
    Empirical evidence for a celestial origin of the climate oscillations and its implications

    The partial forecast indicates that climate may stabilize or cool until 2030-2040.”
    Read here

    14. Dr William Livingston, astronomer & solar physicist; and 15. Dr Matthew Penn – astronomer & solar physicist

    Astronomers Dr. William Livingston and Dr. Matthew Penn and a large number of solar physicists would say that now the likelihood of the Earth being seized by Maunder Minimum is now greater than the Earth being seized by a period of global warming.”
    Read here: Astronomers: 'Sun's output may decline significantly inducing another little ice age on the Earth' | GORE LIED.

    16. Joe d’Aleo – Executive Director of Certified Consultant Meteorologists. Read here: Intellicast.com

    Longer term the sun is behaving like it did in the last 1700s and early 1800s, leading many to believe we are likely to experience conditions more like the early 1800s (called the Dalton Minimum) in the next few decades. That was a time of cold and snow. It was the time of Charles Dickens and his novels with snow and cold in London.”
    Also see various other articles about Global Cooling under ICE AGE at Ice Cap

    17. Harry van Loon, Emeritus at NCAR and CORA, 18. Roland Madden, Senior scientist at NOAA, Deputy Head of Climate analysis, 19. Dave Melita, Head Meteorologist at Melita Weather Associates, and 20. William M Gray, Professor Emeritus, Dept of Atmospheric Sciences, Colorado State University
    These scientists came to the same conclusions— the global warming trend is done, and a cooling trend is about to kick in.

    Read here!

    21. Dr. David Archibald, Australia, environmental scientist:

    In this presentation, I will demonstrate that the Sun drives climate, and use that demonstrated relationship to predict the Earth’s climate to 2030. It is a prediction that differs from most in the public domain. It is a prediction of imminent cooling.”
    See Warwick Hughes and David Archibald

    22. Dr Habibullo Abdussamatov, Head of Space Research, Lab of Pulkov Observatory. See iceagenow.com:

    In his presentation called The Sun Dictates the Climate, he indicated that there would be an ice age kind of temperatures in the middle of the 21st century. He showed a graph called The forecast of the natural climate change for the nearest 100 years and it showed the globa temperatures dropping by more than 1°C by 2055. According to him, a new ice age could start by 2014.”
    And read here.

    23. Dr Fred Goldberg, Swedish climate expert. People Daily:

    We could have an ice age any time, says Swedish climate expert.”
    and read: We could have an ice age any time, says Swedish climate expert

    24. Dr. George Kukla, a member of the Czechoslovakian Academy of Sciences and a pioneer in the field of astronomical forcing, Read Ice Age Now:

    In the 1970s, leading scientists claimed that the world was threatened by an era of global cooling.

    Based on what we’ve learned this decade, says George Kukla, those scientists – and he was among them — had it right. The world is about to enter another Ice Age.”
    25. Peter Clark, Professor of Geosciences at OSU: Read iceagenow.com:

    Sometime around now, scientists say, the Earth should be changing from a long interglacial period that has lasted the past 10,000 years and shifting back towards conditions that will ultimately lead to another ice age.”
    26. James Overland, NOAA. Read physorg.com:

    ‘Cold and snowy winters will be the rule rather than the exception,’ said James Overland of the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.”
    27. Dr. Theodore Landscheidt. Predicted in 2003 that the current cooling would continue until 2030 [Read here]:

    Analysis of the sun’s varying activity in the last two millennia indicates that contrary to the IPCC’s speculation about man-made global warming as high as 5.8°C within the next hundred years, a long period of cool climate with its coldest phase around 2030 is to be expected.”
    28. Matt Vooro, P. Eng. The icecap.us:

    We seem to be in the same climate cycle that we were back in 1964-1976.The last two winters [2008, 2009] have been very similar to those we had back then with all the extra snow and cold temperatures. Once the extra warming effect of the current 2009/2010 El Nino is finished, watch for colder temperatures to return due to the impact of the negative PDO, AMO, AO, NAO, ENSO/La Nina, major volcanic ash and changing solar cycles.”
    Good source of articles and data on global cooling, see: Isthereglobalcooling.com
    29. Thomas Globig, Meteorologist, Meteo Media weather service. Read here at WUWT:

    ‘The expected cold for the next month will bring this down significantly by year end. ‘The year 2010 will be the coldest for ten years in Germany,’ said Thomas Globig from the weather service Meteo Media talking to wetter.info. And it might even get worse: ‘It is quite possible that we are at the beginning of a Little Ice Age,’ the meteorologist said. Even the Arctic ice could spread further to the south.”
    30. Piers Corbyn, Astrophysicist. From Piers Corbyn goes global cooling | Watts Up With That?

    It is even very probable that we will not only experience a very cold winter, but also in the coming 10 years every second winter will be too cold. Only 2 of 10 will be mild.

    Predicting in November that winter in Europe would be “exceptionally cold and snowy, like Hell frozen over at times,” Corbyn suggested we should sooner prepare for another Ice Age than worry about global warming. Corbyn believed global warming “is complete nonsense, it’s fiction, it comes from a cult ideology. There’s no science in there, no facts to back [it] up.”
    31. Dr. Karsten Brandt, Director of donnerwetter.de weather service.

    It is even very probable that we will not only experience a very cold winter, but also in the coming 10 years every second winter will be too cold. Only 2 of 10 will be mild.

    http://notrickszone.com/2010/12/28/g...-to-3-decades/

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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

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    Denier... Why do you hate so much?
    Yeah Brexx, why do you hate Gaia?

    Although, she does look a little cold in the picture.
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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    Oh God, 31 whole scientific people, paid to have this opinion. Kind of like that list of a couple of years ago, with 3,600 so-called scientist that also say the world isn't getting warmer. Of course, many had their name there multiple times, first initial only - first initial and middle initial- first name - first name and middle initial, etc. and so on, and so on.

    You'd think anyone would use that instead of a list with only 31 paltry names. I fart in their general direction and will taunt you again.
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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConLib View Post
    Oh God, 31 whole scientific people, paid to have this opinion. Kind of like that list of a couple of years ago, with 3,600 so-called scientist that also say the world isn't getting warmer. Of course, many had their name there multiple times, first initial only - first initial and middle initial- first name - first name and middle initial, etc. and so on, and so on.

    You'd think anyone would use that instead of a list with only 31 paltry names. I fart in their general direction and will taunt you again.
    So you dismiss them out of hand simply because of their numbers? Do you even care about their credentials?

    Gee, how very "scientific" of you. :rolleyes:
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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConLib View Post
    Oh God, 31 whole scientific people, paid to have this opinion. Kind of like that list of a couple of years ago, with 3,600 so-called scientist that also say the world isn't getting warmer. Of course, many had their name there multiple times, first initial only - first initial and middle initial- first name - first name and middle initial, etc. and so on, and so on.

    You'd think anyone would use that instead of a list with only 31 paltry names. I fart in their general direction and will taunt you again.
    What does "Emeritus" mean in a person's title? That they don't go to work anymore, they are retired and out of the loop?
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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConLib View Post
    Oh God, 31 whole scientific people, paid to have this opinion. Kind of like that list of a couple of years ago, with 3,600 so-called scientist that also say the world isn't getting warmer. Of course, many had their name there multiple times, first initial only - first initial and middle initial- first name - first name and middle initial, etc. and so on, and so on.

    You'd think anyone would use that instead of a list with only 31 paltry names. I fart in their general direction and will taunt you again.
    I know that the true believers of AGW Armageddon are offended by anybody who questions their faith. Its sort of like telling a Muslim jihadist that there are no virgins waiting for him.

    Do you have any evidence these people have been paid to have this opinion?

    You do realize - I hope - that any scientist who wants to sell his opinion can get a hell of a lot more for an opinion that supports AGW.

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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Martin View Post
    What does "Emeritus" mean in a person's title? That they don't go to work anymore, they are retired and out of the loop?
    Its a title meaning retired with honors.

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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Martin View Post
    What does "Emeritus" mean in a person's title? That they don't go to work anymore, they are retired and out of the loop?
    Your gonna start making fun of academic credentials in the climate game? Really?
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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    Interesting articles in your link Brexx, thanks! Many of the links contained real science and not just opinion pieces, which is nice though seldom provided by sceptics. These folks may well be right, or they may be wrong. We will see in coming years…

    Most of the papers and scientists referred in your link seem to be saying that winters will be getting colder, not so many of them claim that average global temperatures are going to decrease, if I understood them right. Colder winters have been predicted by many climate change research institutes also.

    Some of the sources claiming forthcoming average cooling were from 2008, coincidence maybe? We know that 2008 was coolest year since 2000. 2009 instead was 5th warmest year on record (land + ocean temperatures) and looks like 2010 may be 2nd warmest on record. This may yet change though.

    State of the Climate | Global Analysis | December 2009

    Avg Global temp in 2010 hits 2nd highest since 1891 - The Economic Times

    So in this hindsight those 2008 predictions about cooling are yet waiting to be realized.

    Especially interesting read were those papers about ocean currents affecting polar ice sheets and how they predicted that polar ice sheets will start growing… we’ll see, maybe they do.

    One sceptic referred in your link is Piers Corbyn. If I was a sceptic I would prefer not to quote this guy. Imo he’s an idiot whose weather forecasts have gone more wrong than right, and when his predictions nose dive he starts babbling excuses. Other references are sound, I would guess.

    I’m sitting on the fence when predicting future temperatures, so I welcome all sound information available. Yet I have to say that so far the camp predicting average warming are more convincing to me than the camp predicting average cooling.

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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConLib View Post
    Oh God, 31 whole scientific people, paid to have this opinion. Kind of like that list of a couple of years ago, with 3,600 so-called scientist that also say the world isn't getting warmer. Of course, many had their name there multiple times, first initial only - first initial and middle initial- first name - first name and middle initial, etc. and so on, and so on.

    You'd think anyone would use that instead of a list with only 31 paltry names. I fart in their general direction and will taunt you again.
    So what is the magic number at which you bother to look at the actual arguments? 50? 100? Does it vary by viewpoint?

    As for "paid to have this opinion", do you believe that the researchers holding the opposite opinion do so for free?

    Really, do you just have no actual argument here and thus are forced to roll out irrelevancies?
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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    Quote Originally Posted by MattInFla View Post
    So what is the magic number at which you bother to look at the actual arguments? 50? 100? Does it vary by viewpoint?

    As for "paid to have this opinion", do you believe that the researchers holding the opposite opinion do so for free?

    Really, do you just have no actual argument here and thus are forced to roll out irrelevancies?
    The magic number would be more than just a few that, as noted by someone above, just use convenient small slices of 'weather' to predict 'climate'. My note about the larger list, is that fraudulent methods was used to increase the number on the list, therefore, it would indicate their goal was to provide fraudulent proof that global warming is not a fact.

    Scientist, and science, as a whole say that "Yes", the world is becoming warming, no if's, and's or but's. Most are not 'paid' for such an opinion, but simply are asked, and quoted, to try and counter the false claims.
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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConLib View Post
    The magic number would be more than just a few that, as noted by someone above, just use convenient small slices of 'weather' to predict 'climate'. My note about the larger list, is that fraudulent methods was used to increase the number on the list, therefore, it would indicate their goal was to provide fraudulent proof that global warming is not a fact.
    I don't think this other list was mentioned, until you introduced it as a strawman.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConLib View Post
    Scientist, and science, as a whole say that "Yes", the world is becoming warming, no if's, and's or but's. Most are not 'paid' for such an opinion, but simply are asked, and quoted, to try and counter the false claims.
    And these researchers get paid to research, yes?

    Or do they offer opinions on topics they have not researched?

    The climate is, it seems, changing. What is not known is the entirety of the mechanism and what results will occur from various suggested courses of action.

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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    Heretics! Apostates! Blasphmers! Witches!

    Burn them!

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    Re: 31 climate scientists predict more cooling.

    Most of the people in your list are not climate scientists, BTW. Most of the statements made in that list are blatantly false.

    For a wee bit of reality here is the temperature anamoly for November 2010 from the NOAA.



    Pretty hot all around with a bit of cold in a few places, with a very noticeable La Nina in the pacific.

    2010 is still shaping up to be the hottest or second hottest year on record.

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