Thread: The Dirty Energy Party

Originally Posted by ConLib

Did anyone really think that large corporations would sit idly by and not have their paid for party, the GOP, not aid them in polluting the world?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/op...1.html?_r=1&hp

Yet even this retailored approach is sure to whip the Republicans into a fresh frenzy of opposition. They have already made clear their determination to cut off financing and otherwise undermine the Environmental Protection Agency, which plans to regulate carbon emissions from power plants and other industrial sources using its authority under the Clean Air Act.

But basic scientific research? Energy efficiency? Cleaner fuels? The House Republican budget resolution gives the back of its hand to even these worthy and unobjectionable strategies, which until now have enjoyed reliable bipartisan support.

Only a moron would have voted for the cap and trade idiocy they put up last year. Unfortunately we have many morons in congress.

The word for today is cutting spending. Too bad it's going to require trimming back in an area you don't want it to.

But here's a solution. You, and all your liberal buddies can write a check to the government over and above what your required taxes are, and designate them to go to "Green research programs".

I certainly won't stop you, and I certainly won't give the government one more dime than they have a gun to my head demanding.

Since you don't seem to be current with the news, the Cap and Trade was abandoned by both parties. More pollutants in the air/water/land has been shown to be much more costly in the long run in health issues alone. However, for the large polluting corporations that fund the GOP, and far too many Dems, it's well worth the millions they spend in decrying any environmental concerns, because of the hundreds of millions they save by dumping toxic materials.

hurrah for an ocean wide love canal!(sarcasm)

Originally Posted by ConLib

Since you don't seem to be current with the news, the Cap and Trade was abandoned by both parties. More pollutants in the air/water/land has been shown to be much more costly in the long run in health issues alone. However, for the large polluting corporations that fund the GOP, and far too many Dems, it's well worth the millions they spend in decrying any environmental concerns, because of the hundreds of millions they save by dumping toxic materials.

Sure it was abandoned. After the truth about it came out.

And yet toxic materials you say they're saving millions on....seem to be missing.

Until the economy gets healthy again, for average folks, we might better put off this battle for the environment. Because it is really costly, and impedes. Not that I would get rid of existing regulations, just not add any more until we can weather it.

IMO developing green energy creates a lot more jobs than the pittance of money spent on the research for it.

Ethanol?s Federal Subsidy Grab Leaves Little For Solar, Wind And Geothermal Energy

Ethanol needs to be scrapped, but of course because presidential races are roughly formed in Iowa, everyone promises corn farmers the world.

In terms of R&D, wind only gets ~$50 million annually. I'm not sure where that link gets the $750 million for wind from, but apparently $700 million gets spent on wind energy which is NOT R&D, but I don't know what that would entail.

This link correctly identifies wind as getting $50 million annually:
http://blog.environmentalchemistry.c...-compared.html

As opposed to the No Energy Party?

Or the Save Gas, Fart in a Jar Party?

The GOP was for "green" energy and energy independence before it was cool with nuclear power.

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

IMO developing green energy creates a lot more jobs than the pittance of money spent on the research for it.

Yup in China, we do the research here, the industrial processes and equipment are designed here and the business moves to China for actual production.

Yes conservatives love dirt.

Dirt is cheap.

Green crap is expensive, a fantisy for the next 10 years or more as a significant source of energy. Yes continue studies and research.

But in the meantime, from where does the Left,Obama, believe our energy needs will come. Cap and Trade is indeed dead.Obama said "electricity prices would necissarily skyrocket", a rare moment of honesty and one that assured that the C&T Bill would be dead in the water.
Yes Obama wants Americans to conserve energy, a worthy endevour: turn your lights out ,heat only to 60, cool only to 80, walk many more miles, stop using refrigerators and freezers,shop daily for food but dont drive a vehicle,walk to super market,walk to work, walk to church(whats that?), no toasters or microwave or vacuum cleaners,shut down all swimming pools and eat the algae that forms in the pool, eat shit, limit to one TV(9 inches)per houshold, do NOT charge your electric cars, no vacations(especially Vegas),play with yourself or sig other, limit computer time and TV time,no video games. Return to the 19th century!

Or we could do the alternative:Restart drilling in Gulf(fuck the environmentalists, fuck the spotted owl, and the snail fish and the beattle that looks like a roach), open up Anwar,fuck OPEC, promote natural gas use and conversion of cars to NG, promote clean coal increased usage, continue research on batteries and solar(fuck wind), fuck ethanol except for Martinis,
Geeze , common sense! Is that so difficult for the Left:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

Yup in China, we do the research here, the industrial processes and equipment are designed here and the business moves to China for actual production.

Indeed and when they move there, to get that cheap labor, the Chinese require that they, the chinese then owns part of those american companies. And to boot, they demand we share our manufacturing tech with them! Boy, the depths we will go to just to get that cheap ass labor! What a cluster fuck.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Indeed and when they move there, to get that cheap labor, the Chinese require that they, the chinese then owns part of those american companies. And to boot, they demand we share our manufacturing tech with them! Boy, the depths we will go to just to get that cheap ass labor! What a cluster fuck.

Cheap labor is not possible in Union directed anything.

Do you fault a company that finds the labor costs, leftist taxes, and Obamanation economy an expensive business liability?

Vote Republican, matey. Argh!!!

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Indeed and when they move there, to get that cheap labor, the Chinese require that they, the chinese then owns part of those american companies. And to boot, they demand we share our manufacturing tech with them!

You're spending too much time digging holes in the ground looking for bones and not reading enough news.

One of the solutions of AGW is that we give away our high tech and high tech know how.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Boy, the depths we will go to just to get that cheap ass labor! What a cluster fuck.

It was Clinton along with the Republican congress in Oct of 2000 that gave China PNTR (Permanent Normalized Trade Relations). This opened the floodgates to our good jobs being sent to China as the following graph shows:



I read that the reasons Republicans said they wanted PNTR was so that our manufacturing companies could stay competitive (i.e., they would go out of business if they had to make a product in the US that was also being made in China and being imported into the US). As to Clinton, there were reports that the communist Chinese Government gave illegal contributions to the DNC and Clinton. If this was true, then I think the reason Clinton signed PNTR was payback (as well as a fondness for communism).

Clinton also wanted us to ratify the Kyoto protocol and according to Cass Sunstien, the US would probably have paid the bulk of the costs of Kyoto and China (and India) would have been the main recipients of this wealth transfer.

A cluster#^($ is right... We're paying for it now.

Kramer

Kramer

Thanks for the chart Kramer, I hadn't realized we've lost about 30% of our manufacturing jobs in 10 years. I knew it was bad, but not that bad.