Thread: Germans Abandon Nuclear Power

Exaclamente! We have no idea what type of educational system, if any, will exist to turn out people qualified to handle that waste. And we don't have anyone now out of our best schools who knows how to handle that waste.

Nuclear anything is the most extreme form of arrogance. It is future-cide. We are committing murder/genocide on people who haven't even been born yet for up to 240,000 years, taking into account as you said the various stages of decay until plutonium is no longer toxic to life.

I would say that in an environment riddled with toxic radiation, the chances of having a top notch education system hover around zero. If we don't want to be the most villianous race since the dawn of time, we should be figuring out how quickly we can extricate ourselves from this proven menace and how we can properly store any residuals or waste as to minimize the impact on future generations.

Anyone who has seen the amusing but visionary movie "Idiocracy" knows just what a nightmare nuclear will be for our descendants..

I'm just hoping an arrogant utility company will open a lawsuit against Germany attempting to collect damages for what it says it will lose because of Germany's "anti nuclear" policy. Because then Germany can launch a counter-suit against the utility for it's attempted harm to Germany, by using claims for damages as a club to force Germany to keep nuclear going. If the utility is too stupid to see the writing on the wall after Chernobyl AND Fukushima, then they lose fair and square. If the utility was smart, it wouldn't tug the tail of the tiger and instead ask for Germans to assit it in a quick transformation into solar, fresnel or other Germany-plentiful alternative source of energy. Why would any company want it's image attached to nuclear? Those deformed kids around Fukushima will be being born and pictures will be coming out like this one:



Would you want your company associated with those images? For they will be arriving soon from Fukushima. Especially now that children were forced as a PR stunt to return to plutonium-laden schoolyards to "prove" that "nuclear is still green". God help their souls, those responsible..

The burden will be upon the utility company to prove that Germany isn't acting in it's own self-interest in anticipation of stunning financial and other losses if it opts to continue with nuclear power.

All I have to say is: "good luck with that"..

If wind and solar are so wonderful, then why aren’t we using it? It’s not some cabal against “green” energy, it’s probably the opposite. Wind and solar power are expensive. Nuclear (fission) is cheap, along with fossil fuels. That’s why they are used. In my personal opinion, nuclear fusion will be the answer, be it ITER or Sandia. And a country taking itself out of the nuclear game is shortsighted. It’s a kneejerk reaction that will hurt them in the long run.

Because big bad oil cartels can't stand competition. Corporations only care for the bottom line and will quash any competition they can so they can control the money.

That's why we need socialism now more than ever. Only through socialism can we end this barbaric capitalistic behavior.

Here's a great example of how that unfolded:

Information on the conference being held starting tomorrow in Vienna:

On Monday, 20 June 2011, the IAEA convenes a five-day Ministerial Conference on Nuclear Safety, following the 11 March 2011 nuclear accident at TEPCO's Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station in Japan, caused by the Great East Japan Earthquake and Tsunami, to learn lessons from the accident and to strengthen nuclear safety throughout the world. In many countries, the accident and its aftermath have shaken public confidence in the safety of nuclear power plants...

.. The IAEA responded immediately to the accident: the Incident and Emergency Centre was activated, Director General Amano visited Japan, the IAEA Board of Governors was convened to discuss the IAEA response to the accident, a number of specialized expert missions were dispatched to Japan to assist in understanding the accident and to provide assistance and expertise, including, more recently, a 10-day Fact Finding Mission. Since 15 March 2011, the IAEA Secretariat has been providing regular briefings for Member States and the international media. Strengthening Global Nuclear Safety

My question is, who oversees the IAEA? It is a bit like OPEC being in charge of the Gulf Oil spill last year.

Here's a report from the IAEA on the handling of Fukushima by its top-level official:

The Director General visited Tokyo from 17 to 19 March for high level consultations: to express the solidarity and full support of the international community for Japan in dealing with the consequences of the earthquake and tsunami and to convey offers of assistance from more than a dozen countries; to ascertain whether there was any particular assistance the Agency could provide or coordinate (such as expert missions); to obtain information about the accident at first hand; and to stress the importance of the highest level of transparency and the timely provision by Japan to the
Agency of official information, and the verification on request of its correct understanding by the Agency.

9. The Director General met the Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan, Foreign Minister Takeaki Matsumoto and the Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry, Banri Kaieda. He also had meetings with senior officials from the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), the operator of the Fukushima nuclear power plants, and from the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), and pledged the Agency’s full support. Prime Minister Kan expressed his strong commitment to ensuring the highest level of transparency in information sharing and said that every effort would be made to improve the collection and provision to the international community, including the Agency, of accurate, objective information.http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Doc...vinf2011-8.pdf

Yes yes, it all sounds so "official". "High level consultations"..mmm, yes, indeed. "Director General" met with what? Trade and Industry? Why? Shouldn't his time have been spent nearly 100% with top nuclear scientists in independent stations?

"Every effort would be made", except to consult primarily and expediently the group of objective people [scientists outside industry who was/is liable for the accident] who could provide the international community with unbiased assessment and "the higheset level of transparency".

Who do they take us for? Blind brain-dead baboons?

I'd say Greenpeace would make an acceptable objectivity counter-balance to two japanese entities who stand to lose the most should damning data emerge as to radiation levels.

But you know, that international group isn't allowed to monitor it. I suppose the summit the Director General of the IAEA had with FOR-PROFIT NUCLEAR INDUSTRY LEADERS came up with the idea to keep a true international unbiased outfit from having anything to do with the "objective" outflow of information from Fukushima..

Oh, and remember, the only two "official" agencies allowed to report "officiallly" on the Fukushima nightmare are two Japanese entities, you know, to represent the INTERNATIONAL community. And the Director General's name for the IAEA in 2011? *drum roll* Yukiya Amano IAEA Director Generals Corner Here's an email address you can send your regards to the "impartial" IAEA Director General: Official.Mail@iaea.org

So, Japanese Yukiya Amano, in capacity as the Director General of the INTERNATIONAL Atomic Energy Agency, went to his own country to meet with [for profit] industry leaders and fellow japanese high-rankers [whose butts were on the line] first to arrange for the "transparent and objective" data flow out of that country's disaster. Also the world's worst ecological disaster.

Oh, don't worry folks. You're in good hands.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

A positive step. Now if only the rest of us would get the hint.

Nuclear power is not worth the risk.

it is the safest way to make mass amounts of power. And one of the cheapest.

Any country ruled by fear is a failure. To bad to many in this country are like this.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

it is the safest way to make mass amounts of power. And one of the cheapest.

It's not actually the cheapest and it's the safest if everything goes right.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

It's not actually the cheapest and it's the safest if everything goes right.

So is walking across the street safe if everything go right. Cowards never move forward they just cower in a corner.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

So is walking across the street safe if everything go right. Cowards never move forward they just cower in a corner.

Call me whatever you want, I do not and will not support the use of nuclear power.

Namecalling is a seriously sad tactic, by the way.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

Call me whatever you want, I do not and will not support the use of nuclear power.

Namecalling is a seriously sad tactic, by the way.

I didn't call you one I called Germany one. What should I care if you are for nuclear power or not? You are not the ones making decisions thank god.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

I didn't call you one I called Germany one. What should I care if you are for nuclear power or not? You are not the ones making decisions thank god.

This is like calling someone a coward because they put their seat belt on.