Thread: NSF Investigation into 'Climategate"

Originally Posted by Hoplite

And, shocker, they found no basis for the accusations.
http://www.nsf.gov/oig/search/A09120086.pdf



Climate-Change Scientist Cleared in Closing of U.S. Data-Altering Inquiry - Bloomberg

So, confirming what most of us have known all along, "Climategate" is crap.

Right, and those charges of murder against OJ Simpson - total crap!

The fox found no problems with security at the hen house.

Why am I not surprised.

The science denial movement is based on deliberate ignorance. Used as they are to maintaining their ignorance of climatology, biology, physics and geology, the effort of adding this to the list will be trivial.

I recommend Trust us, we're experts! - on the manipulation of science by PR, tobacco, etc. It's an excellent book, provides history & examples, names names. All you could ask for. Published by Tarcher/Putnam, c 2001. By Sheldon Rampton & John Stauber. Index, notes, bibliography.

Easy to read, lots of suggested reading for further info, if you want it.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

And, shocker, they found no basis for the accusations.
http://www.nsf.gov/oig/search/A09120086.pdf



Climate-Change Scientist Cleared in Closing of U.S. Data-Altering Inquiry - Bloomberg

So, confirming what most of us have known all along, "Climategate" is crap.

And, shocker, they cleared themselves of any wrong doing.

It's a miracle!

I like how the NSF is responsible for handing out research grants and they found that the people they gave the grants to are awesome. This is a triumph for science. Now, when I leave out data points, I can go "the NSF says 'in your face!'" and hand out high fives all around.

The FBI should be the agency investigating the climategate fraudsters.

When a conspiracy theory is debunked, it makes no difference to the morons who believe it, to them it just adds another layer to the conspiracy.

Seriously, why wouldn't people believe Obama was born in Hawaii, when he produced a Hawaiian BC, because "anyone can get a Hawaiian BC", because the state of Hawaii was in on the deal.
Because his grandparents put fake birth announcements in the paper.
How did they know this? A State Official (actually a part time temporary poll worker ) told them he asked his supervisor and she told him there was no BC.
You think those people are going to believe the FBI?
They operate on the theory that anything the government says that they don't agree with is a lie.

We all know that when organizations inspect themselves and their cronies everything is on the up and up.

Congress and the Senate do a fine and dandy job inspecting and policing themselves.

Police forces always have the utmost scrutiny and root out the few bad apples whenever they expose themselves during law enforcement activity without the need of outside investigation.

Corporations can always be trusted to do the right thing and don't need regulations and investigators from outside their business to assure legal compliance.

I know it's unlikely evidence could be doctored by a number of well educated individuals so exacting and specific procedures would assure there was no clear evidence of misconduct. How could anyone not show absolute respect and confidence in such an investigation?

One must question the need for law enforcement and investigative agencies in light of how well organizations police themselves.

Originally Posted by goober

When a conspiracy theory is debunked, it makes no difference to the morons who believe it, to them it just adds another layer to the conspiracy.

Seriously, why wouldn't people believe Obama was born in Hawaii, when he produced a Hawaiian BC, because "anyone can get a Hawaiian BC", because the state of Hawaii was in on the deal.
Because his grandparents put fake birth announcements in the paper.
How did they know this? A State Official (actually a part time temporary poll worker ) told them he asked his supervisor and she told him there was no BC.
You think those people are going to believe the FBI?
They operate on the theory that anything the government says that they don't agree with is a lie.

yep all the bush conspiracies are "dead on" right goober?

Originally Posted by Hoplite

And, shocker, they found no basis for the accusations.
http://www.nsf.gov/oig/search/A09120086.pdf



Climate-Change Scientist Cleared in Closing of U.S. Data-Altering Inquiry - Bloomberg

So, confirming what most of us have known all along, "Climategate" is crap.

Yes, this is the now the 5th independent investigation into those emails, and still nothing has been found.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

We all know that when organizations inspect themselves and their cronies everything is on the up and up.

Congress and the Senate do a fine and dandy job inspecting and policing themselves.

Police forces always have the utmost scrutiny and root out the few bad apples whenever they expose themselves during law enforcement activity without the need of outside investigation.

Corporations can always be trusted to do the right thing and don't need regulations and investigators from outside their business to assure legal compliance.

I know it's unlikely evidence could be doctored by a number of well educated individuals so exacting and specific procedures would assure there was no clear evidence of misconduct. How could anyone not show absolute respect and confidence in such an investigation?

One must question the need for law enforcement and investigative agencies in light of how well organizations police themselves.

????? This was the NSF doing the investigation.... how exactly does that mean organization policing themselves??? The CRU has nothing to do with the NSF.

Originally Posted by Andrewl

????? This was the NSF doing the investigation.... how exactly does that mean organization policing themselves??? The CRU has nothing to do with the NSF.

The information they were acting on was provided by the group being voluntarily investigated. That's the organization policing itself even when employing the services of another party.

I'll readily agree it is important and necessary for an organization to police itself but why must critics value that policing anymore in this case than people do in other cases?

By what special standard are we to trust these bodies above other bodies?