U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum - Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/ Abortion, Civil Rights, Homosexuality, Education, and other issues except health care. en Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:17:34 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.USPoliticsOnline.com/images/misc/rss.jpg U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum - Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/ <![CDATA[Texas' gay marriage ban may have banned all marriages]]> http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57310-texas-gay-marriage-ban-may-have-banned-all-marriages.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:27:30 GMT My comment: Whoops!

Texas' gay marriage ban may have banned all marriages

By Dave Montgomery | Fort Worth Star-Telegram

AUSTIN — Texans: Are you really married?

Maybe not.

Barbara Ann Radnofsky, a Houston lawyer and Democratic candidate for attorney general, says that a 22-word clause in a 2005 constitutional amendment designed to ban gay marriages erroneously endangers the legal status of all marriages in the state.

The amendment, approved by the Legislature and overwhelmingly ratified by voters, declares that "marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman." But the troublemaking phrase, as Radnofsky sees it, is Subsection B, which declares:

"This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage."

Architects of the amendment included the clause to ban same-sex civil unions and domestic partnerships. But Radnofsky, who was a member of the powerhouse Vinson & Elkins law firm in Houston for 27 years until retiring in 2006, says the wording of Subsection B effectively "eliminates marriage in Texas," including common-law marriages.

[more] ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues Rude Boy http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57310-texas-gay-marriage-ban-may-have-banned-all-marriages.html Can a child refuse to say the pledge for personal reasons? http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57238-can-child-refuse-say-pledge-personal-reasons.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:38:42 GMT Student Braves Controversy, Refuses to Recite Pledge - ParentDish... Student Braves Controversy, Refuses to Recite Pledge - ParentDish

A young boy refused to say the pledge because he doesn't feel America provides "liberty and justice for all" with respect to homosexuals.

Now, all criticism of his snide comment about bridge-jumping aside, the meat of the matter is his refusal to say the pledge for what he believes is hypocrisy in regards to the words of the pledge and practice of the United States. Does he have good reason to refuse to say the pledge? Or should he just shut up and say the pledge?

I personally think he should abstain if he feels there's hypocrisy in our practice and our rhetoric. I assume an African-American in the 1950's might have felt the same way with respect to his/her liberty and justice, and in that respect I'm sure we (as in most people) would have some sort of sympathy towards said person doing such a thing.

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Will Phillips doesn't believe that describes America for its gay and lesbian citizens. He's a 10-year-old at West Fork Elementary School in Arkansas, about three hours east of Oklahoma City. Given his beliefs, he refused to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, specifically because that one phrase, "liberty and justice for all," he says, does not truly apply to all.

That did not go over well with the substitute teacher in his fifth-grade classroom.

The Arkansas Times reports that he started refusing to say the pledge Mon., Oct. 5. By Thursday, the substitute was steamed. She told Will she knew his mother and grandmother and they would want him to recite the pledge.

Will told the Times the substitute got more and more upset. She raised her voice. By this point, Will told the newspaper, he started losing his cool too, adding: "After a few minutes, I said, 'With all due respect ma'am, go jump off a bridge.'"

At first, mom Laura Phillips told the Times, the principal talked about Will telling a substitute to jump off a bridge. When pressed, the principal admitted the whole incident was sparked by the boy exercising his constitutional right not to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

Phillips suggested an apology was in order -- from the teacher. When the principal said that wasn't necessary, Will's mother started venting to friends via Twitter. Those friends, in turn, told the news media. And what would have been a minor classroom incident has people throughout Arkansas and beyond choosing sides.

As for Will, he continues to exercise his right to remain silent. It can be rough at times, he and his family admit. He has his share of supporters, however, his critics are louder and nastier -- especially because he took his stand to defend gay rights.
]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues emptypepsi http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57238-can-child-refuse-say-pledge-personal-reasons.html Tinley Park police investigate alleged hate crime http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57193-tinley-park-police-investigate-alleged-hate-crime.html Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:51:18 GMT Yet another example where minorities receive special treatment. If I pulled the scarf off of an old white lady or stole her purse it would be LESS of a crime because SHES NOT A MINORITY... This is yet another example of the bigotry of the... Yet another example where minorities receive special treatment.

If I pulled the scarf off of an old white lady or stole her purse it would be LESS of a crime because SHES NOT A MINORITY...

This is yet another example of the bigotry of the left. They're firm supporters of this "hate crime" bullshit.

Liberals aren't interested in equality, they're fucking 100% blatant liars claiming they do and hate crime laws PROVE their minority supremacy conspiracy 100%.

They subscribe to Malcolm X's racist/bias philosophy NOT MLK's.

Tinley Park police investigate alleged hate crime - Chicago Breaking News

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Tinley Park Police are investigating an alleged hate crime against a Muslim woman who says her headscarf was pulled by a supermarket shopper angry about the Fort Hood shootings.

Mother-of-four Amal Abusumayah, 28, says she was shopping at Jewel at 171st St. and Harlem Ave. at 5:30 p.m. on Saturday when a middle-aged woman passed her in the aisle and made a loud reference to Fort Hood.

"She said, 'The man that did that shooting in Texas was from the Middle East,' in a really loud and angry voice," Abusumayah said.

Minutes later, while Abusumayah was paying for her groceries, the woman approached her from behind and tugged hard on her blue and beige headscarf, she said.

"I turned around and looked at her and she walked out of the store," Abusumayah said.

"My scarf didn't come off because it was on very tight, but my head was tugged back," she said.

Following the woman into the lot, Abusumayah called police, who arrested the woman soon after, she said.

Abusumayah said she initially declined to press charges against the woman because she was "upset and confused," but that she returned to press charges on Sunday.

Tinley Park Police Chief Michael O' Connell said today his officers are investigating the incident as a "possible hate crime."

The Council on American-Islamic Relations issued a press release Friday, calling for the FBI to also investigate.

"Pulling a woman's headscarf is clearly a hate crime and should therefore be investigated at such, CAIR's Chicago civil rights director Christina Abraham said in the release.

FBI spokesman Jon Diwik said the case has not been reported to the FBI. But O'Connell said there was no reason for that to happen because "it is our jurisdiction and we'll do a complete investigation."

Abusumayah, who was born in the U.S. and raised in Berwyn as the daughter of Palestinian immigrants, says she wants the woman she says attacked her charged soon because, "I was very offended and couldn't believe this was happening to me."

She said the Fort Hood murders were "very upsetting and very sad to me--as Muslims and Arabs we do not tolerate these kind of actions.

The Fort Hood murders were committed by "a person who was obviously sick," she said, "just like you see when there is a shooting at a high school or university.

"I had to report this incident because I don't want this to happen to anyone else."

-- Kim Janssen
]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues Swoop187 http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57193-tinley-park-police-investigate-alleged-hate-crime.html Massachusetts Man Says He Was Fired for Telling Colleague Her Gay Marriage Is Wrong http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57075-massachusetts-man-says-he-fired-telling-colleague-her-gay-marriage-wrong.html Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:46:13 GMT ---Quote--- *Massachusetts Man Says He Was Fired for Telling Colleague Her Gay Marriage Is Wrong* A manager at a Massachusetts retail store claims he was unjustly fired after he told a colleague he thought her impending marriage to another woman...
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Massachusetts Man Says He Was Fired for Telling Colleague Her Gay Marriage Is Wrong

A manager at a Massachusetts retail store claims he was unjustly fired after he told a colleague he thought her impending marriage to another woman was wrong.

Peter Vidala, 24, told FoxNews.com he was terminated in August from his position as second deputy manager at a Brookstone store at Boston's Logan Airport after a conversation he had with a manager from another Brookstone store who was visiting the location.

Vidala claims the woman, whom he declined to identify, mentioned four times that she had married her partner. He said he then left the store briefly to visit the airport's chapel before returning.

"I found it offensive that she repeatedly brought it up," Vidala said. "By the fourth time she mentioned it, I felt God wanted me to express how I felt about the matter, so I did. But my tone was downright apologetic. I said, 'Regarding your homosexuality, I think that's bad stuff.'"

The woman, according to Vidala, then said, "Human resources, buddy — keep your opinions to yourself," before exiting the store.

Two days later, Vidala, who had been employed for just a matter of weeks, received a termination letter citing the company's zero-tolerance policy regarding "harassment" and "inappropriate and unprofessional" comments.

"In the state of Massachusetts, same-sex marriage is legal and there will be people with whom you work with who have fiancées or spouses who are the same gender," the Aug. 12 letter read. "... While you are entitled to your own beliefs, imposing them upon others in the workplace is not acceptable and in this case, by telling a colleague that she is deviant and immoral, constitutes discrimination and harassment."
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Sounds to me like the woman kept bringing it up. She was "imposing her believs upon others" and should be reprimanded. ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues lug-nut http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57075-massachusetts-man-says-he-fired-telling-colleague-her-gay-marriage-wrong.html Prostitution: The Debate http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57056-prostitution-debate.html Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:49:46 GMT The first sound argument automatically wins. If no side makes a sound argument but do make some kind of argument, then I will look to see which side has the most instances of fallacy to determine which side wins the debate.

For those who don't understand debates, the resolution stands until it is "knocked down."

Rules:

1. Declare your position, either for or against the resolution.
2. Make your argument and then engage the arguments of the other side, once such have been posted.

Resolution:

Resolved, prostitution ought to be illegal because it is wrong. ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues Steerpike http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57056-prostitution-debate.html Legal Murder http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57017-legal-murder.html Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:12 GMT Abortion is, and always *has* been murder. Here we see one of the founders of the abortion movement finally admitting this truth. He also *admits that the entire structure of the arguments created to support abortion, were false or outright... Abortion is, and always has been murder. Here we see one of the founders of the abortion movement finally admitting this truth.

He also admits that the entire structure of the arguments created to support abortion, were false or outright lies.

As I've been saying, entire nations can be persuaded into making the wrong choices or decisions with the right marketers. Evil can be smoothly marketed as good.

And it has.


As we see here:


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Innocent blood: How lying marketers sold Roe v. Wade to America

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"Women must have control over their own bodies."

"Safe and legal abortion is every woman's right."

"Who decides? You decide!"

"Abortion is a personal decision between a woman and her doctor."

"Who will make this most personal decision of a woman's life? Will women decide, or will the politicians and bureaucrats in Washington?"

"Freedom of choice – a basic American right."

In one of the most successful marketing campaigns in modern political history, the "abortion rights movement" – with all of its emotionally compelling catch-phrases and powerful political slogans – has succeeded in turning what once was a heinous crime into a fiercely defended constitutional right.

Although polls consistently show a clear majority of Americans disapprove of unfettered abortion-on-demand, the movement's well-crafted, almost magical slogans – appealing to Americans' deeply rooted inclination toward tolerance, privacy and individual rights – have provided the abortion camp a powerful rhetorical arsenal with which to fight off efforts to reverse Roe, which struck down all state laws outlawing abortion.

In marketing wars, the party that frames the terms of the debate almost always wins. And the early abortion marketers brilliantly succeeded in doing exactly that – diverting attention away from the core issues of exactly what abortion does to both the unborn child and the mother, and focusing the debate instead on a newly created issue: "choice." No longer was the morality of killing the unborn at issue, but rather, "who decides."

The original abortion-rights slogans from the early '70s – they remain virtual articles of faith and rallying cries of the "pro-choice" movement to this day – were "Freedom of choice" and "Women must have control over their own bodies."

"I remember laughing when we made those slogans up," recalls Bernard Nathanson, M.D., co-founder of pro-abortion vanguard group NARAL, reminiscing about the early days of the abortion-rights movement in the late '60s and early '70s. "We were looking for some sexy, catchy slogans to capture public opinion. They were very cynical slogans then, just as all of these slogans today are very, very cynical."

Besides having served as chairman of the executive committee of NARAL – originally, the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws, and later renamed the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League – as well as its medical committee, Nathanson was one of the principal architects and strategists of the abortion movement in the United States. He tells an astonishing story.

"We persuaded the media that the cause of permissive abortion was a liberal, enlightened, sophisticated one," recalls the movement's co-founder. "Knowing that if a true poll were taken, we would be soundly defeated, we simply fabricated the results of fictional polls. We announced to the media that we had taken polls and that 60 percent of Americans were in favor of permissive abortion. This is the tactic of the self-fulfilling lie. Few people care to be in the minority. We aroused enough sympathy to sell our program of permissive abortion by fabricating the number of illegal abortions done annually in the U.S. The actual figure was approaching 100,000, but the figure we gave to the media repeatedly was 1 million.

"Repeating the big lie often enough convinces the public. The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around 200-250 annually. The figure we constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false figures took root in the consciousness of Americans, convincing many that we needed to crack the abortion law.

"Another myth we fed to the public through the media was that legalizing abortion would only mean that the abortions taking place illegally would then be done legally. In fact, of course, abortion is now being used as a primary method of birth control in the U.S. and the annual number of abortions has increased by 1,500 percent since legalization."

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"Anyway," says Nathanson, "as a result of all of this technology – looking at this baby, examining it, investigating it, watching its metabolic functions, watching it urinate, swallow, move and sleep, watching it dream, which you could see by its rapid eye movements via ultrasound, treating it, operating on it – I finally came to the conviction that this was my patient. This was a person! I was a physician, pledged to save my patients' lives, not to destroy them. So I changed my mind on the subject of abortion."

"There was nothing religious about it," he hastens to add. "This was purely a change of mind as a result of this fantastic technology, and the new insights and perceptions I had into the nature of the unborn child."

In 1985, intrigued by the question of what really happens during an abortion in the first three months of a pregnancy, Nathanson decided to put an ultrasound machine on the abdomen of a woman undergoing an abortion and to videotape what happens.

"We got a film that was astonishing, shocking, frightening," he says.

It was made into a film called "The Silent Scream." It was shattering, and the pro-abortion people panicked. Because at this point, we had moved the abortion debate away from moralizing, sermonizing, sloganeering and pamphleteering into a high-tech argument. For the first time, the pro-life movement now had all of the technology and all of the smarts, and the pro-abortion people were on the defensive.

Nathanson's film provoked a massive campaign of defamation on the part of the pro-abortion movement, including charges that he had doctored the film. He hadn't. "I was accused of everything from pederasty to nepotism. But the American public saw the film."

In 1987, Nathanson released another, even stronger film called "Eclipse of Reason," introduced by Charlton Heston. "'The Silent Scream' dealt with a child who was aborted at 12 weeks," said Nathanson. "But there are 400 abortions every day in this country that are done after the third month of pregnancy. Contrary to popular misconception, Roe v. Wade makes abortion permissible up to and including the ninth month of pregnancy. I wanted to dramatize what happens in one of these late abortions, after the third month.

They took a fetuscope, which is a long optical instrument with a lens at one end and a strong light at the other. They inserted the fetuscope into the womb of a woman at 19-1/2 weeks, and a camera was clamped on the eyepiece and then the abortionist went to work.

This procedure was known as a D&E (dilation and evacuation). It involves dilating the cervix, rupturing the bag of waters, taking a large crushing instrument and introducing it way high up into the uterus, grabbing a piece of the baby, pulling it off the baby, and just repeating this procedure until the baby has been pulled apart piece by piece.

Then the pieces are assembled on a table, put together like a jigsaw puzzle, so the abortionist can be sure that the entire baby has been removed. We photographed all this through the fetuscope. This is a shattering film.

Innocent blood: How lying marketers sold Roe v. Wade to America

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The truth about abortion is very nasty.

It is Legal MURDER of the most innocent. ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues Captain Trips http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57017-legal-murder.html <![CDATA[Would taking the word "marriage" out of the debate help LGBTs?]]> http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57015-would-taking-word-marriage-out-debate-help-lgbts.html Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:21:18 GMT I'm just wondering, because I've recently heard a lot of people express opposition to gay marriage, but not to civil unions. Also, I found some interesting blog posts on the topic:

http://hillbuzz.org/2009/11/04/wedne...-november-4th/

Thursday Open Thread: November 5, 2009 HillBuzz

Frankly, I'm a little sick of straight people claiming that dropping the word marriage or compromising in any way would be terrible, mainly because they're not the ones who have to live with the consequences. That said, I have no idea if it would work.

What say you? ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues Hafke http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57015-would-taking-word-marriage-out-debate-help-lgbts.html You have no right to not be framed. http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57001-you-have-no-right-not-framed.html Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:50:11 GMT I think I need to blow up a courthouse. Who's with me?

Story.
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The justices of the Supreme Court struggled Wednesday to figure out whether they should allow lawsuits against prosecutors for framing a suspect. Iowa prosecutors, backed by the federal government and prosecutors across the country, contend that there is "no freestanding constitutional right not to be framed."
EDIT: My comment is in jest. Just thought I'd clear that up. ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues Porras http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/57001-you-have-no-right-not-framed.html The heart of abortion. http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56958-heart-abortion.html Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:41:20 GMT So now we know what "abortion" is really about.

It sure as hell isn't about "a womans right" or a "choice."

It's always funny how those who tell us about tolerance so much are most often the most hateful racists we've ever seen.

Very interesting.

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In her book The Pivot of Civilization, Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger wrote that unless something was done to stop them, those living in the slums (blacks, Hispanics, and Jews) would eventually leave the boundaries of their neighborhoods and mix with the better parts of society (whites). Their inferior genes, she argued, would then infect the rest of us. Therefore, she suggested we cease all charitable giving to the inner-city poor, segregate these "morons, misfits, and maladjusted," sterilize these "genetically inferior races," and begin a process of eliminating such "human weeds."

And her organization, Planned Parenthood, has done just that. In the 1980s, the organization began intentionally targeting black inner-city neighborhoods for their clinics. Author George Grant pointed out that, "of the more than 100 school-based clinics that have opened nationwide in the [1980s]...all have been at black, minority, or ethnic schools." By 1991, Planned Parenthood was reporting that 43 percent of all its abortions were performed on minorities – a time when the minorities accounted for only 19 percent of the total population. And in a comparative analysis between the 2000 U.S. Census data and the location of Planned Parenthood clinics, Cybercast News Service concluded, "The results appear to bolster the charge that the organization targets black communities."


Consider also a recent sting operation conducted by The Advocate, a student magazine at UCLA. In the sting, an actor posed as a potential donor to Planned Parenthood wanting to contribute his money to help "lower the number of black people." In the seven states where the sting took place, each clinic agreed to take the racially earmarked contribution, with none of them expressing concern over the motivation. In one exchange, the actor said, "the less black kids out there, the better." The Planned Parenthood director responded by saying such sentiments were "understandable."


Move over, KKK (OneNewsNow.com) ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues Captain Trips http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56958-heart-abortion.html Private Neighborhood Schools http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56952-private-neighborhood-schools.html Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:05:31 GMT This has become an issue in my city recently, in that the poor people are complaining about rich area schools being better than poor schools, even though public resources are doled out evenly. So they suggest either not allowing the rich schools to... This has become an issue in my city recently, in that the poor people are complaining about rich area schools being better than poor schools, even though public resources are doled out evenly. So they suggest either not allowing the rich schools to be as succesful, or taking money from rich schools and moving them to poor schools (socialism).

Which led me to think, why is it that rich areas dont simply build their own private school and limit it to their neighborhood? This wouldnt get them out of paying taxes to school districts of course, even though they are no longer taking part in the public school system, but it would allow them to better control their childs education and experiences. ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues jviehe http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56952-private-neighborhood-schools.html Social conservatives, fiscal conservatives and social issues http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56880-social-conservatives-fiscal-conservatives-social-issues.html Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:07:43 GMT Rather than continue to hijack the Conservative numbers growing (http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/political-parties-campaigns-elections/56846-conservative-numbers-growing.html) thread I decided that we could continue the discussion topic that has... Rather than continue to hijack the Conservative numbers growing thread I decided that we could continue the discussion topic that has arisen in this thread.

It starting with discussing the relationship between social and fiscal conservatives. Then it moved into how some fiscal conservatives feel that social issues should be scrapped. Lastly, it seems to have boiled down into a discussion about gay marriage. Comments on any of the above topics are welcome here. ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues Eagle88 http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56880-social-conservatives-fiscal-conservatives-social-issues.html Racism: inevitable http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56871-racism-inevitable.html Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:21:42 GMT Every ethnic group seems themselves as competing with every other group, and each group thinks they're the best.

Therefore, each group is "racist," meaning (a) recognizes inherent differences between races and (b) prefers its own group to others.

The worst racists of all are those from the "I have no race or are of mixed race" category. They get to hate on every other group at the same time.

Is there a solution? Or is "diversity" unworkable? ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues Conservationist http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56871-racism-inevitable.html I Fail To See The Problem... http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56825-i-fail-see-problem.html Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:22:48 GMT At the risk of having some “christian” call me a “hater”, I thought I’d post this. Long story short, Dude is wearing a pin with “One Nation Under God” on it. He’s claiming he was fired because of it. What he was actually fired for was not... At the risk of having some “christian” call me a “hater”, I thought I’d post this.

Long story short, Dude is wearing a pin with “One Nation Under God” on it. He’s claiming he was fired because of it.

What he was actually fired for was not adhering to company policy, which states that no non-company pins may be worn, regardless of the message they convey. This kid was given six chances to comply with company policy, and six times he failed. Now that he’s been fired, he wants to whine about it.

He says he wore the pin to support the troops. What I find ironic is that, apparently, there was nothing which referred to the troops on the pin he insisted on wearing.

Whaddya’ think? Was six opportunities to comply enough, or should Home Depot be boycotted for their obvious hatred of christianity?


Home Depot ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues Steve http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56825-i-fail-see-problem.html LA man arrested in death of his unborn child http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56818-la-man-arrested-death-his-unborn-child.html Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:38:31 GMT In another in a string of pro-abortion violence, an LA man has exercised his right to choose abortion, apparently without the consent of his partner. ---Quote--- (10-25) 19:34 PDT Los Angeles, CA (AP) -- Authorities say a 37-year-old Los... In another in a string of pro-abortion violence, an LA man has exercised his right to choose abortion, apparently without the consent of his partner.

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(10-25) 19:34 PDT Los Angeles, CA (AP) --

Authorities say a 37-year-old Los Angeles man has been arrested on suspicion of murder for the death of an unborn child believed to be his.

Police said in a press release that Joshua Woodward was arrested Sunday in Los Angeles and is being held on $2 million bail in a county jail.

Police say the arrest came after an investigation on Monday revealed "suspicious circumstances of a miscarriage." Investigators estimate the fetus was in its 13th week.

Police released no information on the mother or the circumstances of the child's death.

The release says Woodward is believed to have ties to Miami and Chicago and detectives are also seeking information in those cities.

Investigators are set to present the case to prosecutors on Tuesday.

A deputy at the jail had no information on an attorney for Woodward.

Source: LA man arrested in death of his unborn child
This sort of thing happens frequently, but what makes this unusual is that apparently whatever action the father took to cause the miscarriage did not kill the mother, just the baby. It presents in stark contrast a somewhat strange dichotomy -- that is, a mother can legally choose to have her unborn child killed without the consent of its father, but a father has no such legal right. Meanwhile, the father will be on the hook for child support if the mother chooses to carry the baby to term against his wishes. Tragically, all too often, some fathers take matters into their own hands as we've seen here.

But I think this presents an interesting discussion piece. Should a father have the legal right to have a pregnancy of his child terminated even if the mother wants to carry the baby to term? Why or why not? Suppose paternity can be easily established medically and that the abortion method would be safe for the mother. ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues Fidei Defensor http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56818-la-man-arrested-death-his-unborn-child.html Report: 1 in 7 Female Students Pregnant at Chicago High School http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56688-report-1-7-female-students-pregnant-chicago-high-school.html Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:25:56 GMT http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Robeson.High.School.2.1251642.html ---Quote--- Why Did 1 In 7 Girls Get Pregnant At Robeson High? Officials Say A Mix Of Factors Are To Blame, As They Try To Help The Young Women Reporting Kristyn Hartman http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Robeson...2.1251642.html

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Why Did 1 In 7 Girls Get Pregnant At Robeson High?
Officials Say A Mix Of Factors Are To Blame, As They Try To Help The Young Women

Reporting
Kristyn Hartman

CHICAGO (CBS) ― It is a Chicago public school full of energy and spirit. It has about 800 girls, and 115 of them have something in common – something you might find disturbing.

CBS 2's Kristyn Hartman reports.

All those young ladies are moms or moms-to-be at Paul Robeson High School. It's not a school for young mothers, it's a neighborhood school. And all of the pregnancies have happened, despite prevention talk.

If you want to know why, the people closest to the situation say there's no simple explanation.

Chicago Public Schools says it does not track the overall number of teen moms in the district. But Robeson Principal Gerald Morrow knows the count at his school in Englewood: 115 young ladies who are either expecting or already have had children.

To put it in perspective, their school pictures would fill roughly six pages of their high school year book.

Why is it happening at Robeson?

"It can be a lot of things that are happening in the home or not happening in the home, if you will," Morrow said. Absentee fathers are another factor, he said.

LaDonna Denson and two other Robeson students say parents not talking to teens and, in some cases, the pursuit of public assistance also factor into the pregnancies. None of them thought they'd be moms at such a young age.

They said they have support at home. But not all girls do, they said. In fact, some girls get thrown out of the home.

Not on Morrow's turf. "We're not looking at them like 'Ooh you made a mistake,'" he said. "We're looking at how we can get them to the next phase, how can we still get them thinking about graduation?"

So there's help in a teen parent program. And coming soon, right across from Robeson, developers are turning a one-time crack house into a day care for student use. "We have to provide some type of environment for them and some form of support for them," Van Vincent, CEO of VLV Development, said.

It's all made an impression.

"Just cause you have a baby, that doesn't mean your life is over," one student said.

One thing they might not know about their principal: His mom had him when she was 15. That's why accepting the problem -- and working through it -- is so important to him.


It seems Roberson High School is nothing more then a daycare for black students (or lack their of). I'm sure the fact that 99.2% of the students are black play NO role in this right? I'm sure the fact that ONLY 7% of the students (9% is the record :eek:) meet or exceeds Illinois high school standards plays no role either?

The kicker is the state is going to fix a former crack house right across the street from the school (does it get any better then that? crack house?) and turn it into a daycare facility on the taxpayers dime.



Interactive Illinois Report Card

There are more pregnant mothers in the school then students who meet or exceed Illinois high school standards.

Now I'm ready for the denial that URBAN BLACK CULTURE plays no role in any of this. ]]> Abortion, Civil Rights and other Social Issues Swoop187 http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abortion-civil-rights-other-social-issues/56688-report-1-7-female-students-pregnant-chicago-high-school.html