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  • Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

    According to Time magazine, operational control for the Bin Laden mission was handled by Admiral McRaven, with the requisite Washington CYA:

    MEMO FOR THE RECORD Apr. 29, 2011, 10:35 a.m.

    Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault. The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven’s hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am.

    Read more: The Last Days of Osama bin Laden | Swampland | TIME.com
    You can bet your last penny that had anything gone wrong, the President would have absolved himself of any and all blame and responsibility.

    Presented as yet more evidence that our current President is, contrary to what his fanatical supporters here would have us believe, just a typical politician.

    Matt
    You might hope to keep your insurance plan, your doctor, your premium, and your deductible, but Obamacare is going to change all of that for you.

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    Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

    Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
    According to Time magazine, operational control for the Bin Laden mission was handled by Admiral McRaven, with the requisite Washington CYA:



    You can bet your last penny that had anything gone wrong, the President would have absolved himself of any and all blame and responsibility.

    Presented as yet more evidence that our current President is, contrary to what his fanatical supporters here would have us believe, just a typical politician.

    Matt
    Obama's voting record as a Senator was a pretty good indication that he was risk-averse---even for a politician. So the CYA thing is consistent with that.
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      Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

      Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
      According to Time magazine, operational control for the Bin Laden mission was handled by Admiral McRaven, with the requisite Washington CYA:



      You can bet your last penny that had anything gone wrong, the President would have absolved himself of any and all blame and responsibility.

      Presented as yet more evidence that our current President is, contrary to what his fanatical supporters here would have us believe, just a typical politician.

      Matt
      Of course he's a typical politician, they all are. However he did the right thing in turning over operational control to the Admiral instead of trying to micromanage it. That's the way these things are supposed to work.

      As for absolving himself, it's possible but we'll never know for sure as the op was successful.

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        Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

        Originally posted by wooyarn View Post
        Of course he's a typical politician, they all are. However he did the right thing in turning over operational control to the Admiral instead of trying to micromanage it. That's the way these things are supposed to work.

        As for absolving himself, it's possible but we'll never know for sure as the op was successful.
        I absolutely guarantee you that had the mission gone to crap, we'd have heard quite a bit here about how the "pampered losers" fucked up the most perfectest President evah's perfect plan.
        You might hope to keep your insurance plan, your doctor, your premium, and your deductible, but Obamacare is going to change all of that for you.

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          Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

          I fail to see a problem with a politician who has zero experience of combat turning over control of one of the most important raids in history to someone in the military.

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            Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
            I fail to see a problem with a politician who has zero experience of combat turning over control of one of the most important raids in history to someone in the military.
            I agree on that point. But then the same politician uses the raid as a political tool, and speaks of it in terms of his personal accomplishment. "I did... I decided... "

            You can bet your last Pound Sterling that had the raid gone wrong, President Obama would have been saying "They did... They decided... They gave me bad information... "
            You might hope to keep your insurance plan, your doctor, your premium, and your deductible, but Obamacare is going to change all of that for you.

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              Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

              Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
              I absolutely guarantee you that had the mission gone to crap, we'd have heard quite a bit here about how the "pampered losers" fucked up the most perfectest President evah's perfect plan.
              What "pampered losers" are you referring too?

              Would you have preferred Obama micromanaging the op, or turn it over to the experts as he did.
              The only people i see using things like, " most perfectest President evah's,annointed one,socialist" and all the other cute little names are generally the group of Left and Right wingbats we have on this forum.

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                Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

                Originally posted by wooyarn View Post
                What "pampered losers" are you referring too?
                That's how one of our noted leftists refers to our armed forces. Each and every past and present soldier, sailor, airman or marine is a "pampered loser" (unless it is momentarily politically expedient to feign concern for them).

                Originally posted by wooyarn View Post
                Would you have preferred Obama micromanaging the op, or turn it over to the experts as he did.
                The only people i see using things like, " most perfectest President evah's,annointed one,socialist" and all the other cute little names are generally the group of Left and Right wingbats we have on this forum.
                I actually gave Obama a great deal of credit for ordering the assault, right up until he recently decided he needed to "spike the football" for political purposes.

                And yes, the "most perfectest President evah" was a jibe at some of his followers here who never admit that he does anything wrong (or pair the most feeble condemnation of his error with excuses as to why it wasn't really his fault). Honestly, the fawning admiration for President Obama among some of our posters here is nearly cult-like and it's pretty scary.
                You might hope to keep your insurance plan, your doctor, your premium, and your deductible, but Obamacare is going to change all of that for you.

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                  Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

                  Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
                  That's how one of our noted leftists refers to our armed forces. Each and every past and present soldier, sailor, airman or marine is a "pampered loser" (unless it is momentarily politically expedient to feign concern for them).



                  I actually gave Obama a great deal of credit for ordering the assault, right up until he recently decided he needed to "spike the football" for political purposes.

                  And yes, the "most perfectest President evah" was a jibe at some of his followers here who never admit that he does anything wrong (or pair the most feeble condemnation of his error with excuses as to why it wasn't really his fault). Honestly, the fawning admiration for President Obama among some of our posters here is nearly cult-like and it's pretty scary.
                  So why get in the gutter with them. Every president points out what went right and their opponents will point what went wrong. I don't see a real problem with that as long as both sides are honest about it.

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                    Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

                    Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
                    I agree on that point. But then the same politician uses the raid as a political tool, and speaks of it in terms of his personal accomplishment. "I did... I decided... "

                    You can bet your last Pound Sterling that had the raid gone wrong, President Obama would have been saying "They did... They decided... They gave me bad information... "
                    Matt, your dead on. In support of your claim, has Obama took blame for anything? He has an excuse for anything and everything, from bad weather all the way to Bush.

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                      Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

                      Originally posted by wooyarn View Post
                      So why get in the gutter with them. Every president points out what went right and their opponents will point what went wrong. I don't see a real problem with that as long as both sides are honest about it.
                      I would say Matt is pointing out that it is Obama that is in the gutter. Taking this event and "spiking the ball".

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                        Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

                        I'm not surprised. Obama is notorious for his "drive-by politicking", i.e. be informed of a situation, give his thought and get the hell outta dodge before he can be linked to any and all consequences derived from his decision.
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                          Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

                          Agreed that Obama is no more or less like any other ass-covering finger-pointing politican out there. But, not so sure Obama made a mistake here (political or otherwise) in how he handled decision making on taking Bin Laden out. PeterUK75 has a point here on making a presidential decision, then turning over specifics to the military leadership to carry out such an important raid in another country without their in advance support. So many things could have gone wrong and if they did, I suspect Obama would not be able to get himself off the hook so easily. But things did go well, and a political "spike the ball" was all but to be expected by Obama.
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                            Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

                            Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
                            According to Time magazine, operational control for the Bin Laden mission was handled by Admiral McRaven, with the requisite Washington CYA:



                            You can bet your last penny that had anything gone wrong, the President would have absolved himself of any and all blame and responsibility.

                            Presented as yet more evidence that our current President is, contrary to what his fanatical supporters here would have us believe, just a typical politician.

                            Matt
                            Obama's advisers 60/40 were AGAINST taking this risk. Obama said he would sleep on it, and came back with HIS decision to go ahead. Yet so many of us do not want to give the man credit, or try to come up with this idea that he was covering his ass. That is ludicrous, and a reaonable person can see this easily, IMO.

                            Obama stood to lose a helluva lot, just like Carter, if he there was a blunder, and he had the guts the resolve to take that chance.

                            Since it was HIS decision, I don't see how he could have weaseled out of it, given the facts. But keep trying, you guys who hate him. You throw enough shit, something is bound to stick sooner or later, and then you can sit back and say, " I told ya so".

                            We are no longer americans. We are broken down into those who hate Obama and those who will give him the benefit of the doubt. It is quite dysfunctional IMO and shows what we as a people have sunk to. That is my opinion sir.
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                              Re: Before he spiked the ball, Obama made sure his ass was covered...

                              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                              Obama's advisers 60/40 were AGAINST taking this risk. Obama said he would sleep on it, and came back with HIS decision to go ahead. Yet so many of us do not want to give the man credit, or try to come up with this idea that he was covering his ass. That is ludicrous, and a reaonable person can see this easily, IMO.

                              Obama stood to lose a helluva lot, just like Carter, if he there was a blunder, and he had the guts the resolve to take that chance.

                              Since it was HIS decision, I don't see how he could have weaseled out of it, given the facts. But keep trying, you guys who hate him. You throw enough shit, something is bound to stick sooner or later, and then you can sit back and say, " I told ya so".

                              We are no longer americans. We are broken down into those who hate Obama and those who will give him the benefit of the doubt. It is quite dysfunctional IMO and shows what we as a people have sunk to. That is my opinion sir.
                              Actually, I gave Obama a lot of credit when the raid first happened. Where he's lost me is his recent decision to "spike the ball" for his campaign, reversing his earlier decision to not "spike the ball".

                              I don't hate the guy, the only thing I truly lament are the otherwise reasonable people who have been so suckered in to the Obama myth that they've given up all pretense of critical thought. Like every politician, he's done some good things and some bad things.

                              Matt
                              You might hope to keep your insurance plan, your doctor, your premium, and your deductible, but Obamacare is going to change all of that for you.

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