all the Laws , the blood ordnances ( which define punishments and atonements }are not , a person is now saved through grace not doing the blood ordnances.

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Do I recall correctly that you have some scientific training at the college or University level? Physics, I think. The reason that I ask is due to the fact that your post above has no logical or scientific basis, in fact it is written in such a way as to suggest that the author is the veriest of ignorant Bible-beaters.

I'm idly curious how you get the opinions of the Creator of the Universe, it would seem that you are leaning rather heavily on an old book in the hopes that it actually has some supernatural origin.

It's nice to see someone with so many firm opinions with so little to back them up. If you only take the opinions of the Creator of the Universe and He speaks to you through the Bible, then why are you not demanding the deaths of homosexual people? No courage of your convictions?

Actually I never said that the "idiocy" I mentioned was in the Bible, rather is was considered gospel truth and was accepted by the Christian church. Right here in this country people claimed that black skin was the Mark of Cain and that all of Cain's descendants were condemned to slavery as punishment for Cain's murder of Abel and they used the Bible to prove that God approved of slavery and the subjugation of black people. We actually had a very bloody civil war partly over this issue. All the rest of the things I mentioned were accepted as gospel truth by people with your apparent level of education in things religous.

It's pretty hard to argue with any of your opinions since you didn't (and cannot) back them up with anything substantive. You have expressed a lot bigoted opinions based on fear and ignorance, but only you can address your ignorance and fear.

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If you are going with the 10 Commandments, then which version of the 6th one are you using? In all my old Bibles it is stated: THOU SHALT NOT KILL, but in the newer Bibles it is stated: THOU SHALT NOT MURDER.

When you get God's opinion on which one is correct, would you please let me know? All the revisions of the Bible make it very difficult to know what to believe.

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again because the punishment and atonement blood ordnances were fulfilled by Christs sacrifice -and I have no desire to harm homosexuals

and I will take the "little " Word of the Creator of all things over any "big" stack of opinions and ignorance dressed as facts humans want to spew.



oh really? and which Church was this? not the one I go to , and not any that I have ever heard ( and I have gone to many worldwide)











because , if you had actually paid attention to what I said ,
I am not out to persecute homosexuals , it isnt my place to punish them as the blood ordnances have been fulfilled.

this means that the punishments and acts of atonement are over with , the only punishment in the finality of it for ANY sin is the pit of fire once God has judged and sent a person there.

this does not in any way make homosexuality less abomination in the Words of God ,
it doesnt make the behavior acceptable, or natural .


and as the good Captain posted up the thread a bit , there is no social reason to equate the homosexuals with a legit minority for special treatment.


one cannot be bigoted towards homosexuals because they are not a legitimate minority nor are they a race , they have a BEHAVIOR and nothing more.
Always those who spout crap tend to try to say people who oppose the acceptance of the behavior or homosexuality are afraid of them , this is wishful thinking on their part.


I am far from ignorant , I am far from bigoted , I do not wish homosexuals to be harmed , I simply refuse to accept their behavior and choice as natural or an acceptable alternative lifestyle , because it is neither natural nor innate , it is a choice , a behavior.



not everyone who has attended college was so weak of mind to be indoctrinated into the BS liberal atheist progrom they try to brainwash all with.

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I'd be interested in reading your experiences that led you to choosing to be heterosexual. Seeing as you believe that sexuality is a choice, can you share for us what made you choose to be heterosexual?

heh that is a neat slick willy attempt to place words in my mouth that I did not say. nice try though.

heterosexual relations are the way the Creator designed and intended Us to be and as such is natural.



Homosexuality is unnatural and a choice of behavior.

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Aah, so you didn't graduate. Well, I hope all that "stuff" you believe brings you happiness, personally I couldn't cope with the daily level of denial required, but that's just me. You really need to read a bit more about the history of your religion, the Greek and Hebrew texts were not the originals--not even close.

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I gave my cat a lobotomy and now he's a conservative and a fundamentalist Christian.

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in the original manuscripts the greek word translated falsely as kill correctly translates as murder

so the correct would be thou shall do no murder or thou shalt not murder.

it is very easy to get the real word , it is called go to the original manuscripts and take those words through the massarah and the strong's concordance ( if you do not know greek or hebrew )

your attempts to find fault are misguided

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So what you are saying is that it is ok to be gay, but not engage in gay acts? I am not trying to put words in your mouth; just trying to understand where you're coming from.

actually I have Chemistry , Physics , and Metallurgy majors, and did graduate quite in the top 1% of my class thanks.

and the original manuscripts in hebrew, greek , and aramaic are the ones which indeed are the originals , like all the rest of your comments concerning the Religion that is false as well

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I am saying that I would not do a homosexual harm or seek to harass them because they choose that behavior,

however , I will not say that homosexuality is acceptable as a valid alternative lifestyle , nor would I wish the sanctity of marriage conveyed on them.

I would not harm or seek to harass the person , but the behavior, the choice is not something I would ever find acceptable.

It goes back to love the person and hate the sin , I wouldnt hate a sinner ( I am one ) I would hate the sin ( just as I hate my own sins)

as such I cannot accept a sin as an valid alternative lifestyle , but I would not harm the person who sins

I hope that is clearer.

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I'm confused though. You say above that homosexuality is a choice, as you say that people choose that behaviour.

I'd also like to point out that no where in The Bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin. It says it is an abomination. It is man who has coined the association with sin. I'm curious as to why so many conservatives aren't as focused on adulterers as they are on homosexuals, when adultery is listed as a far greater "crime" that homosexuality, by virtue of it being listed in the Commandments.

In order to actually work in the sciences and still believe the things you are posting on this site (unless you are lying like one of the other posters here--who is a recreational bigot) you have to maintain an intellectual/religious dichotomy in your head that borders on schizophrenia. You casually dismiss the work that thousands of your collegues have done over the course of the centuries, yet you probably would defend your own research vigorously. As they say, "Denial isn't just a river in Egypt."

Unfortunately for you I am not wrong about the sources of the Bible myths, you simply have not gone far enough back in history to discover the real genesis of your superstitions. And you will NOT go back and research your own religious history because you fear what you will find--not much scientific detachment there, my friend. I have made the journey that you fear to make and while I still value the teachings of Jesus (the things He probably REALLY said, rather than the later additions) I also realize that the story is not new and much of the Bible is blaspehemous nonsense cribbed from other religious traditions to increase the fear-value, and thus the control-value, of the religion.

You must be an interesting neighbor if you are still doing the sacrificial burned animal stuff. Do you keep the Jubiliee year celebrations? Avoid your wife while she has her period? Purify yourself in case you accidentally touch a woman on the street who might be having her period? Did you ever watch the movie AS GOOD AS IT GETS ? Jack Nicholson played the part of a man with serious ritual behavior. If you are keeping the Law of Moses (lifted largely from the earlier Code of Hammurabi) and doing all the stuff ordered in the Old Testament, then you may well be very much like him.

It's sad to see an intelligent, educated person so steeped in supernatural fear that they will adhere unquestioningly to vague religious concepts handed down to them from sources they know nothing about AND MANAGE TO FEEL MORE SECURE BECAUSE OF IT. My brother is one of those people who has walled off a large part of the world as being too dangerous to even learn about. He, like you, will go to the mat to protect his cherished illusion of safety even if it means passing judgment and running roughshod over the lives of others.

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The point was to note that the Bible has been interpreted all down through history by people, and now you are doing it too. Why are you any more of an authority than anyone else? My brothers are both Christians and I doubt that they would agree with you. In fact there are more than 3000 sects of Christians who don't agree with you. What makes you special and prevents them from being special?

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