I am a member of no party I think both are morally and ethically bankrupt.
both sell out the mainstream US population by pandering to either the mega corps , or the liberals

as to Homosexuals and marriage , I am firmly against the notion.

Marriage is between a man and a woman and that is all
declaring that a deviant behavior as normal or acceptable is not something we should strive to embrace.

Why?

First, how do you define "man" or "woman?" Genotypically? Phenotypically?

What about those born with both sets of genetalia? Bearers of Y chromosomes who are phenotypically female? Etc. Etc. Etc.


And of couse, the bigger question is, "what's it to you?"

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wow , ok so you have trouble knowing what a man and a woman are?

male = man =born male
female = woman =born female

hermaphrodites tend to be more one than the other but are a oddball case

there are no other definitions as far as I am concerned



as to what it is to me?

it is just like the millions of murders committed in this country ( abortion ) with our government's blessing and against the wishes and morality of a goodly portion of the citizenry

allowing marriage of homosexuals is the same , it " confers" a legitimacy in the name of the government
which is not supported and in fact violates the religious and moral beliefs of a goodly portion of the citizenry

our tax dollars at work doing that which is vile and unacceptable to us ( in this case - me ).

It's basic genetics.

So, if a man has a sex change and becomes a woman, can he now marry a man?


How does recognizing gay marriage have anything to do with abortion, or hurt you or society in any way?

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if he was born a man he is a man regardless ,

as to the other I believe I stated it clearly enough.

So, you're OK with gay marriage as long as one's gone through a sex change. Interesting.



As far as the other, no, you really haven't stated much of anything. You just seem to be rephrasing the right's "eew, I don't like it so it must hurt society" argument.

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no , I would not consider a sex change operation something which should be legal or condoned either.
a sex change operation does not make that person the other sex , it only changes the outside( sex changes do not allow men born men to ber children naturally etc.

no not eww i dont like it ,

it violates my religious views and personal beliefs and since I pay taxes,, uses money from me to try to legitimize it .

as such it is a violation of my basic core of personal and religious beliefs .
just like abortions being legal does .


since this is supposed to be a country of by and for the people , these things should not be sanctioned by the government representing a large portion of the population which is vehemently against it .

If you examine it critically and honestly, I think you'll find that both sex and gender are far less balck and white than they appear.
Plenty of people born as women can't bear children naturally; are they then not women, either? Clearly, reproductive ability does not define gender (or sex). What does? Genetalia? Chromosomes? The hormone dominant in the bloodstream? Gender presentation? All of these (except chromosomes) can be changed, some more easily and reversably than others. And you can't see chromosomes; for that matter, you don;t typically see genetalia unless you're allready pretty darn close. Which means that teh least 'changeable' markers are also the least available.

More to the point of the opening post, using one's religious and personal beliefs to justify discrimination is contrary to *my* religious and personal beliefs; if it isn't directly harming someone, then there's no reason to get one's panties in a wad. Whather government is really for and by the people these days is debatable, but fortunately the trend appears to be heading away from discrimination, and towards a more rational recogintion of human diversity.

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Ahh. So, what you really want is a huge government that tells you exactly what you can and can't do.

Interesting.

Perhaps the USA isn't the best place for you? Iran, Saudi Arabia, or similar authoritarian regimes may better suit your needs.

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nope it is exactly a black and white issue and there are lots of other black and white issues , everything in life is not a shade of grey

you are should move to russia or china , the lack of morals there and the totally leftist regimes would suit you best IMHO.

I want the government not to sanction and approve things ( using my tax money ) which are against the very core beliefs and morals that drive me at the fiber of my being .

the government needs to be doing things like balancing the national budget , and enforcing our borders , not ok ing things which are on their face an anathema to a vast majority of the population while using their taxes to fund that action.

Nor is everything a black and white issue. Gender is quite nuanced; in fact I doubt that you'll find anyone who conforms perfectly to societies standard of their gender, or even get a consensus on what those standards *are*.

More to the point, in what way does it affect you if someone else has a sex change, or marries a member of the same sex. You may not *like* it, but then, you aren't going to be required to *do* it, either. There are plenty of things I find distasteful...lima beans, for instance..., but that dosen't mean I'm going to persecute people that like them.

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Huh?

China and Russia are far from leftist regimes. They have big governments which control much of the citizenry's lives.

Much like you seem to be asking for.

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like I said , the government that is supposed to be representing myself and the 80% of Americans who are Christians
is condoning , supporting , and giving a stamp of legitimacy to a behavior which is not in our interests and doing so with our tax money.

while I am not being forced to "do " it , I am being forced to pay for the sanctioning of it .

Of course, not 80% of Americans share your religious beliefs.

But why confuse the issue with facts?

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