those governments are both amoral and liberal in their social programs, which would be more up your alley

So now I'm amoral?

Fascinating.


On what basis do you make this judgement of me?

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liberal was what I was sayng in your case

Yeah, I'm liberal. Root word of liberty and all that.

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No one is asking you to pay for their wedding. How is the fomation of stable couples of whatever gender configuation against your intrests? In what way are you being harmed?

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I already explained this , if you cannot understand that then you should just resign yourself to disagreeing with me because my position on this issue is not subject to change .

Then why post on a discussion forum about it?

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because discussion implies that once someone states their reasons the other person comments on those instead of repeating a request for reasons.

once the question has been answered , continuing to ask it is not discussion or debate.

A fair point.

But, the impression that I've gotten (correct me if I'm wrong) is that you're not willing to even consider the other side, regardless of what evidence they present.

Two examples of this are gender and sexuality. Gender is not a binary thing (male or female only), much as you want it to be. Biologically speaking, there are variations that don't fit into either category. And, with sexuality, Kinsey's research shows more of a spectrum from gay to hetero than a binary (or trinary with bisexuality) nature. Based on what I've read from you, you won't even accept these basic facts, much less explain how you'd legislate or treat these varying situations.

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gender is a one or the other case , with the sole exception of hermaphrodites those are odd cases

no surgery or wishful thinking changes a gender


sexuality is either natural ( heterosexual ) or unnatural ( homosexual)

unnatural sexual orientation is a choice and a behavior it is not inborn

while I have no desire to persecute homosexuals for their choice of behavior , I do not want my tax money spent nor the government representing me condoning or offering legitimacy , or conferring the sanctity of marriage on unnatural and unacceptable behaviors as if it were normal and on a par with natural behavior.


if that isnt liberal PC on my part , I can only say ...good , as long as I am opposite to the liberal and PC ideal then I know I am correct

that is a little far don't you think.

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not in the least

most PC / liberal ideals are contrary to decent or moral behavior ,and common sense in my experience

But what if you're wrong? Science sure seems to indicate so.

Well, I know you're dead wrong, because the facts contradict you.

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I think you are cunfusing sex and gender; it's commonly done. Sex is the biological state of being male or female. Gender is the social expression of masculinity or feminity. While one could argue that sex is binary (dismissing anyone who deviates from this abberent), gender clearly isn't. Not only does no one behave purely and exclusively 'masculine' or 'feminine', you can't even get a clear agreement of what that would be.

I have two points to make with this. FIrst, how do you determine what is natural? Second, does being natural make something right? (or conversely, is anything that is unnatural therefore wrong?)

OK, fine. But again, you aren't being asked to pay for anyone's wedding.

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apparently you have me confused with someone who is confused .
gender is a black and white issue period .

I cannot help you understand if you have no concept of what is right and wrong and it's relationship to the natural and unnatural.
that is too confused a mental state for me to try to help you unravel.


and I never ever said I was being asked to pay for a wedding , this is a irrelevant and misleading suggestion on your part