As I read through this a couple of thoughts went through my mind. I remembered how embarrassed I was when Texas passed their ban on gay marriage, then my thoughts moved to how any '08 candidates will spin this, now I'm wondering if gay marriage will be an issue in '08. I was so hoping it wouldn't because I'm not interested in any 'moral majority' getting on their soapbox.

Will gay marriage find it's way into the '08 elections? If so, how big of an issue will it be? Which side will end up making it an issue?

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I can hear the screaming about "judicial activism" and "atheists in black robes" already. This issue may do for republicans what it did in '04. Bring out the base who might have stayed home otherwise. In '04 it was done by putting amendments to state constitutions on the ballots. That trick can't be repeated so this time it will have to be a candidate who associates himself with the homophobic agenda. I'm pretty sure that means the issue will only play for Romney. In fact it may come into play in his nomination strategy.

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Good for the 08 elections for us, definately. But if we nominate Rudy luckily we'll win anyway.

That of course as country continues to go hell.

Rudy?

Rudy would never win, even against Hillary.

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Of course he will! He leads in all polls against her and is currently carrying about 30 states against her.

With how many months to go?

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What does that matter? He lead just after the 04 election in a head to head by 50 to 39 and people said it would never last; he led the primaries since early 2005 and everyone said he could never win the nomination. he's still going strong. If anything once she wins the nomination she will only fall further away as our attack machine will then kick into full gear.

And there's a fair amount to nail Giuliani on.

I think he'd be not the wisest choice for the GOP.

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Rudy is a social liberal. He's careful about the words he chooses but I believe he supports civil unions and in 1998 he signed a domestic partnership bill. He is seen as having a history of supporting gay rights and if he turns on that then it will be used against him as a 'flip flop'.

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No that's what i meant, Rudy is the one person who can win against anyone and will in the general for sure if he holds onto the nomination.

Thus this won't help him as he can't claim to be against gay marriage.

He continues to support gay "rights" and is in favor of gays being able to marry.

But with him it doesn't matter, he'll win the presidency easily.

You think?

What does he bring? He was mayor? His kids hate him?

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Definately but whatever baggage he may carry Hillary far outweighs him.

Well i can't think of anyone who could win and do it without much personal scrutiny like Bush did in 2000. Can you? Only person maybe is Mike Huckerbee or Thompson, but Huckerbee raised taxes and would lose his home state and Thompson is a former Senator.

I think America has figured out, though, that another Republican with no real worthwhile experience isn't a good choice.

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Now you need to offer up who you think would be the wisest choice for the GOP because honestly, I don't see a 'best' choice for them. I'll admit it's still too early for me to weigh in on any candidate wrt who would be the 'best choice'. I still haven't looked at Ron Paul even though I see his name creeping up in some recent threads.

BTW, I do think our next president will be a social liberal, which makes it more likely that I'm looking at a democrat. I need to check up on Bill Richardson and see how's he's doing.

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Nobody can even get close to his favorability in polls or head to head match ups other than Edwards, and only because he's another white male which the Dems desperately need.

What does he bring??? Look at hisleadershipe for a start. Not only was he a mayor (of the most difficult city to lead in the country) but he was also a federal prosecutor and a Justice Department official and also not an over zealous one, not am overreaching femmenist prosecutor who went after child support payments and rape victims while forgetting everyone else. He went after Bin Laden before 9-11, and others who were involved in attacks againt the country. He as mayor, cut taxes, he cut crime, he fought terrorism, he brought prosperity to the city. He led right from the front and has shown leadership through his entire career. he is exactly what we need.